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    Re: Do you support America's intervention in Libya?

    Quote Originally Posted by Awesome! View Post
    I think we need to do something. America has a history of standing up to brutal dictators and communist assholes. Why can't we just drop or ship weapons. Worked against the soviets when they were in Afganistan?
    No, America has a history of supporting brutal dictators and communist assholes when it serves our interests. We supported the Taliban, we supported Saddam, when it served us to do so. Then, when they turn around and stab us in the back, which any idiot could have told them they'd do eventually, they get all surprised.

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    Re: Do you support America's intervention in Libya?

    Quote Originally Posted by Psychoclown View Post
    We have a history of standing up to brutal dictators?

    You mean guys like Fulgencio Batista? Or Mobuto? Or the Shah of Iran? Or Augusto Pinochet?

    We've backed and bankrolled plenty of brutal dictators over the years, just as long as they were "our" dictators. Heck, we're still propping up the House of Saud. America is no different than any other nation. We back people who back us. We're not evil imperialists and we're not white knights. We're a nation state looking out for own interests. How effectively we serve those interests by backing petty tyrants is a whole different question.
    I'm not applying for American sainthood here just stating the facts. And yes you can put cases where we did support dictators using them as tools to serve our own self interest in its proper context, and Monday morning quarterback those policies. That isn't the point in this case. The point is we should help the people of Libya in my opinion but maybe just supply weapons etc.
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    Re: Do you support America's intervention in Libya?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helvidius View Post
    Do you realize the blowback that occurred from that? We gave weapon technology to the people we would be at war with twenty years later.
    Yes its a crazy world. We taught the Japanese too long before Iraq modernizing their military only to fight them in a world war and then rebuilt their country making them one of our largest trading partners. Same with our euro enemies in WW2. War is an art. Not saying were perfect.
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    Re: Do you support America's intervention in Libya?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    No, America has a history of supporting brutal dictators and communist assholes when it serves our interests. We supported the Taliban, we supported Saddam, when it served us to do so. Then, when they turn around and stab us in the back, which any idiot could have told them they'd do eventually, they get all surprised.

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    Yes we support our interests. There is nothing wrong with standing up to dictators or using them to support our interests.
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    Re: Do you support America's intervention in Libya?

    Quote Originally Posted by Awesome! View Post
    I'm not applying for American sainthood here just stating the facts. And yes you can put cases where we did support dictators using them as tools to serve our own self interest in its proper context, and Monday morning quarterback those policies. That isn't the point in this case. The point is we should help the people of Libya in my opinion but maybe just supply weapons etc.
    You're the one who stated we have a history of standing up to brutal dictators, as if our foreign policy was based on some sort of anti-dicatator doctrine.

    America has, as you now say, supported dictators when we believe ti serves our interests to do so. So the question regarding Lybia is, exactly what interest demands our involvement in the internal affairs of a soveriegn foreign nation? Frankly, I don't see any interests that come close to warranting such involvement.
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    Re: Do you support America's intervention in Libya?

    Quote Originally Posted by Awesome! View Post
    Yes its a crazy world. We taught the Japanese too long before Iraq modernizing their military only to fight them in a world war and then rebuilt their country making them one of our largest trading partners. Same with our euro enemies in WW2. War is an art. Not saying were perfect.
    Yes, but we engaged Japan in war after the attack on Pearl Harbor. We engaged Germany and Italy in war after they had already declared war on the United States. Libya has done no such thing. The issue is not what to do during or after a war has been fought. The issue is whether to engage in warfare to begin with.
    Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

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    Re: Do you support America's intervention in Libya?

    I think it's a mistake, but it's a mistake we've already made. To refuse to support it now is to consign ourselves to failure.

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    Re: Do you support America's intervention in Libya?

    I support the Commander in Chief. His political persuasion is immaterial. When American troops are no longer at risk I am more than willing to engage the debate on right vs wrong. But not til then. I am very disappointed with the UN leadership in this effort. In less than a week, this 'coalition' is in shambles, the Germans have left NATO, and the Arab League has immediately turned on the active members. Its a pure cluster****. Ridiculous.

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    Re: Do you support America's intervention in Libya?

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    I think it's a mistake, but it's a mistake we've already made. To refuse to support it now is to consign ourselves to failure.
    No it's not. It's getting off the road to dumbville. This is not our fight, this is not our problem, this is not worth American lives. That's all there is to it. Let them handle their own government, we have no proper say.
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    Re: Do you support America's intervention in Libya?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    I support the Commander in Chief. His political persuasion is immaterial. When American troops are no longer at risk I am more than willing to engage the debate on right vs wrong.
    So "shoot first and ask questions later"?
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