View Poll Results: Who won the Vietnam War?

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  • The French

    2 1.28%
  • The British

    1 0.64%
  • The Americans

    9 5.77%
  • The Canadians

    2 1.28%
  • The Chinese

    4 2.56%
  • The Russians

    4 2.56%
  • The Japanese

    0 0%
  • The Vietnamese

    71 45.51%
  • No one

    44 28.21%
  • Other

    19 12.18%
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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    Quote Originally Posted by paris View Post
    This question was brought up in another thread about Libya which I don't want to derail any further; but I find it interesting. It appears that many people have a different perspective and I find it funny. So please, cast your vote and if you are enclined explain your choice.

    I have voted the Vietnamese. The goal of their war was to reunite Vietnam and it was achieved.
    Without question the Vietnamese won the Vietnam War(s).
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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    True dat, so now we're comparing apples to oranges. Yes?
    I don't even understand what thats supposed to mean... but back on topic. Would you not agree that the lasting situation in South East Asia is much closer to Vietnam's war goals than any other country's? And that the Vietnam War, meaning here the period of American involvement, was part of a much larger South Vietnam conflict going all the way back to the Japanese followed by the return of the French to the Americans to the war between Vietnam and China to the war between Cambodia which didn't end until a cease fire was signed in 1989 and a peace treaty in 1991.

    North Vietnam in this time succeeded in defeating the French, and through inflicting heavy loses and a little diplomatic trickery get the US to leave, then forcibly reunite Vietnam, then at the same time defeat China on its northern border and conquer Cambodia.

    The American part of the war was only stage to the Vietnamese they perceive this conflict as something much bigger than we normally do.

    But I do agree that political leadership in the US was weak, the American public was not entirely behind the war, and the US military never lost a battle which it was engaged in during Vietnam. As Nixon put it "We won the war, but lost the peace."

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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post
    Correct that was our objective. But the whole reason for entering into the Vietnam war was to stop it. If we completely beat the northern Vietnamese, communism would have been eliminated in this "whole" region of indochina ( which only comprises of Vietnam and Laos)( Cambodia was a constitutional monarchy). If Vietnam went down the threat would have been eliminated. That's why we entered in the first place.
    I don't entirely agree, but that's another matter. The real question is whether or not stopping Communism in Southeast Asia a worthy goal at all to begin with. I fail to see how Communism in Indochina was a direct threat to the lives or safety of Americans, which in my opinion is the only sound justification for military intervention in another part of the world (unless it's a UN humanitarian peacekeeping mission like the Sudan or Congo).
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    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amazed View Post
    Feel free to condemn JFK at any time then.
    been there, done that. Check post #19 of this thread.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The Colonial Army fought a defensive strategy? Never knew that. Got anything to back it up?
    Invasion of Canada (1775) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Oh....

    The American Revolution was in no way defensive, in fact it was the exact opposite. The powerbase of the Revolution was New England and from there we spread North, West, and South. After the US pushed Britian out of most of New England they decided to turn to the South and that is where most of the southern militias fought their battles, but it was hardly a defensive war since we were forcibly pushing them out of the colonial borders and really as far as we could push them. Remember at that time there weren't "13 colonies" there were just "the colonies" as far as the British were concerned there wasn't much difference between the colonies of Canada and those of what would be the future United States or those of the Caribbean.

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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post

    He was welcomed back to the country with spits in the face and being called a baby killer.
    Perhaps your father could contact fellow Vietnam veteran, Jerry Lembcke, who wrote a book about how no returning Vietnam vet was ever found to have been spat upon?


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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Invasion of Canada (1775) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Oh....

    The American Revolution was in no way defensive, in fact it was the exact opposite. The powerbase of the Revolution was New England and from there we spread North, West, and South. After the US pushed Britian out of most of New England they decided to turn to the South and that is where most of the southern militias fought their battles, but it was hardly a defensive war since we were forcibly pushing them out of the colonial borders and really as far as we could push them. Remember at that time there weren't "13 colonies" there were just "the colonies" as far as the British were concerned there wasn't much difference between the colonies of Canada and those of what would be the future United States or those of the Caribbean.
    Those familiar with my posts know I have a real affinity for Clausewitz, who was a strong proponent of the defense being the stronger form of war. I would consider the American Revolutionary War as a whole to be a defensive war from the American side, even if it involved offensive and counteroffensive tactics and operations, because from a strategic point of view we were defending ourselves from foreign occupation. Regardless, the Invasion of Canada was pretty much repulsed by a British counteroffensive which goes to Clausewitz' point that I mentioned beforehand.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    Yes of course, your source can speak for EVERY other Vet, how absurd.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    Perhaps your father could contact fellow Vietnam veteran, Jerry Lembcke, who wrote a book about how no returning Vietnam vet was ever found to have been spat upon?

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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    Perhaps your father could contact fellow Vietnam veteran, Jerry Lembcke, who wrote a book about how no returning Vietnam vet was ever found to have been spat upon?

    I have to say to celticwar that I don't think any military veteran should be spat on or ridiculed for what they went through. Standing with, and supporting the troops, is not the same thing as supporting a certain Administration's foreign policy. I think our generation has done a much better job of making that distinction between the war and the warriors.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    The modern American Left won the Vietnam War;
    The Vietnamese won the war. We just helped bring it to an end.
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