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  • The French

    2 1.28%
  • The British

    1 0.64%
  • The Americans

    9 5.77%
  • The Canadians

    2 1.28%
  • The Chinese

    4 2.56%
  • The Russians

    4 2.56%
  • The Japanese

    0 0%
  • The Vietnamese

    71 45.51%
  • No one

    44 28.21%
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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Not sure that is true. Can you be more specific?
    I shouldn't have to be, unless one is totally clueless.

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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    No one won it.

    The US acheived it's goal of making the South militarily self-sufficient, with the premise that the US would continue to supply war materiel as needed. Two years after the US combat troops left Vietnam, the South was defeated, mainly because the Democrat Congress in it's euphoria at having unseated Nixon naturally stabbed America's ally in the back.

    The NORTH Vietnamese achieved their goal of enslaving those in the South as didn't manage to escape.

    Those that have escaped that I've talked to say the Vietnamese lost the war. Since half the Vietnamese won, half lost, that adds up to zero.

    The French haven't won a war since Austerlitz.

    The Russians got what they wanted.
    Most of the Republicans were against sending more aids as well. By that time few felt that sending more military aids were going to win the South Vietnamese the war, merely so that America would not be seen as abadoning its ally - it was a "moral obligation". And the North Vietnamese won. That they won two years after the Americans left the stage doesn't change the fact that they won.
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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    But, it was still the last offensive the North launched and they lost their asses. At no point, did the North have the upper hand, militarily over U.S. forces.
    Again, none of that **** really matters. From a policy/strategy standpoint, which is pretty much the only one that really counts, we lost. Even if we had "won" the war militarily and unified Vietnam under the RVN, America still would have lost in the long run (strategically) because it really wouldn't have made a lick of difference in the lives of ordinary Americans. It didn't advance our interests, it didn't make Americans safer, it sure as hell didn't do a lot of favors for the Vietnamese. That's what I mean by strategic error. Some wars are just not meant to be fought.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I shouldn't have to be, unless one is totally clueless.
    That's a cop out. What I question is your understanding. I need clarity of what it is you are refering to.

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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesthebond View Post
    A very strange poll. So if North Korea had won in Korean war it would have been a victory of Koreans? Of course, Communists won the war in Vietnam.

    And what sense in listing nations? As well Gonduras or Serbia could be in the list.
    All the nations listed have been involved in Vietnam IIRC.

    Let me just apologise for using the word 'funny' in the OP. I don't think war is funny. It is pretty sad actually considering all the lives lost and bodies maimed.

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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    That's a cop out. What I question is your understanding. I need clarity of what it is you are refering to.
    What apdst really means is defensive tactics and operations. In terms of grand strategy, occupying a foreign country can hardly be called a defensive action.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Again, none of that **** really matters. From a policy/strategy standpoint, which is pretty much the only one that really counts, we lost. Even if we had "won" the war militarily and unified Vietnam under the RVN, America still would have lost in the long run (strategically) because it really wouldn't have made a lick of difference in the lives of ordinary Americans. It didn't advance our interests, it didn't make Americans safer, it sure as hell didn't do a lot of favors for the Vietnamese. That's what I mean by strategic error. Some wars are just not meant to be fought.
    Stop the spin, I'm getting dizzy.

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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    What apdst really means is defensive tactics and operations. In terms of grand strategy, occupying a foreign country can hardly be called a defensive action.
    It can't be done on your home turf, either. It didn't work worth a damn for the Confederates.

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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It can't be done on your home turf, either. It didn't work worth a damn for the Confederates.
    It can, it just doesn't always work. Sure as hell worked during the Revolutionary War.
    Last edited by StillBallin75; 03-22-11 at 06:50 PM.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Stop the spin, I'm getting dizzy.
    Instead of giving me one-liners how bout you actually tell me how winning in Vietnam would have done anything for America and Americans.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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