View Poll Results: Who won the Vietnam War?

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  • The French

    2 1.28%
  • The British

    1 0.64%
  • The Americans

    9 5.77%
  • The Canadians

    2 1.28%
  • The Chinese

    4 2.56%
  • The Russians

    4 2.56%
  • The Japanese

    0 0%
  • The Vietnamese

    71 45.51%
  • No one

    44 28.21%
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    19 12.18%
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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amanda1858 View Post
    The Vietnamese people won this war. Maybe a better question would be: Why was the United States there in the first place?
    JFK is why.

    President Eisenhower warned JFK not to get involved with the RVN Diem regime, it was to corrupt. Eisenhower then told JFK if he wanted to stop communist expansion in South East Asia it had to be done in Laos where you can control access to the Ho Che Minh trail.

    JFK as usual ignored those who were older and more knowledgeable than himself and instead listened to his Harvard buddies he surrounded himself with known as the "Young and Brightest."

    JFK dropped back to the 17th parrallel to make his stand then he made a bigger mistake. He signed off on the CIA backed military coups of Diem that backfired and went wrong when Diem and his brother were murdered. From that day on South Vietnam became America's problem. We now owned the RVN and JFK knew it and so did the rest of the world. If America abandoned South Vietnam, SEATO would collapse and NATO would follow suit. The world watched.

    Three weeks later JFK was also murdered in Dallas.

    The biggest losers of the Viet Nam War were the Vietnamese people. The winners were the Soviet Union, one of the few battles of the Cold War that they won.

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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    The big thing was when Kissinger gave a backdoor to Nixon and to the South Vietnamese, which led the latter to reject the peace accords entirely. The ~27,000 names on the wall are because of Kissinger's and Nixon's manipulations, not because of an activist soldier.
    Many former Presidents have come out when asked what was the biggest mistake you made while in the White House ?

    President Reagan said his was signing the 1986 IRA (aka amnesty) into law.

    Nixon said his biggest mistake was in 1969 by not mining Haiphong Harbor and bombing the #### out of North Vietnam and sending troops across the Cambodian and Laos border where the NVA sanctuary was.

    Nixon didn't follow through with those plans until 1972 and that's what brought North Vietnam to it's knees and ended America's direct involvement in the Vietnam War.

    Now I'm going to be honest, because I know there are a few on the DP who actually understand the Vietnam War, know how we ended up in a shooting war in Vietnam and know the mistakes that were made fighting that war. Some of them were probably those who voted for Russia above.
    But you might do your own research and listen to Nixon's infamous tapes and hear Nixon explain why he didn't go through his original war plans in 1969. He said he was scared if it failed, he wouldn't get reelected in 1972. But once he initiated those plans in 1972, it worked.

    In early 1969 Nixon sent out negotiators to meet with Uncle Ho and North Vietnam said they would only start discussing having talks on having peace talks only if the Iowa class battleship, USS New Jersey was removed from the South China Sea. If you know anything about an Iowa class battleship, it was more feared than a hundred B-52's. Nixon appeased North Vietnam and put the New Jersey back into mothballs for Reagan to bring back to help win the Cold War.

    Once talks actually began, how many months did North Vietnam spend on arguing what the shape of the table would be ?

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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    JFK is why.

    President Eisenhower warned JFK not to get involved with the RVN Diem regime, it was to corrupt. Eisenhower then told JFK if he wanted to stop communist expansion in South East Asia it had to be done in Laos where you can control access to the Ho Che Minh trail.

    JFK as usual ignored those who were older and more knowledgeable than himself and instead listened to his Harvard buddies he surrounded himself with known as the "Young and Brightest."

    JFK dropped back to the 17th parrallel to make his stand then he made a bigger mistake. He signed off on the CIA backed military coups of Diem that backfired and went wrong when Diem and his brother were murdered. From that day on South Vietnam became America's problem. We now owned the RVN and JFK knew it and so did the rest of the world. If America abandoned South Vietnam, SEATO would collapse and NATO would follow suit. The world watched.

    Three weeks later JFK was also murdered in Dallas.

    The biggest losers of the Viet Nam War were the Vietnamese people. The winners were the Soviet Union, one of the few battles of the Cold War that they won.
    And yet, today, the Soviet Union is no more, and Vietnam is a capitalist country. Go figure.
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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    And yet, today, the Soviet Union is no more, and Vietnam is a capitalist country. Go figure.
    Vietnam is about as capitalistic as the Peoples Republic of China.

    It's the communist party that decides if you can own a business and how it will be run.

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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Vietnam is about as capitalistic as the Peoples Republic of China.

    It's the communist party that decides if you can own a business and how it will be run.
    China has discovered capitalism too, in case you hadn't noticed. It was a lot easier to compete with them before they did.
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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    China has discovered capitalism too, in case you hadn't noticed. It was a lot easier to compete with them before they did.
    My post above (#404) was in reference to China.

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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    My post above (#404) was in reference to China.
    Um... yes, it was. I noticed that.

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