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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    That still bothers me if I think about it.
    I try not to, I spent 10 years over there going from country to country, Thailand to Laos to Vietnam and back to Thailand, 67-76. It was hell working at JUSMAGTHAI with six air bases full of fighters and bombers and them just sitting on the ground back in April of 75. I lost many a good friend when those countries fell. I try to just to remember the good and forget the bad and most of the time I am successful. i guess that is why when I get into conversations dealing with my experiences over there I always end up talking about the bars and bar girls.
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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    John Kerry.

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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    Quote Originally Posted by beefheart View Post
    Go to Vietnam today, it is one of the most intensely capitalist nations on earth. I've been all through the country a few times, this is not what Uncle Ho wanted... USA won....eventually
    Well, capitalism won anyway. It always seems to, eventually, even in places like China.
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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    Quote Originally Posted by Porchev View Post
    Vietnam was also lost because the military had their hands tied by not being able to bomb certain targets--in part because the Administration (LBJ) didn't want to take chances of killing Russian advisors to the north Vietnamese. If we were more aggressive with air power then it could have went a lot differently.
    No, Vietnam was lost because we were fixated on prosecuting a European style war in a foreign country ill-suited for such; not to mention the fact that we allowed ourselves to get into the middle of another country's civil war, which is no place for any right thinking nation to be.

    The idea that our "hands were tied" is naive revisionist history perpetrated by "American Exceptionalists" lost in the misguided (and rather arrogant) perception that America can do no wrong.

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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    [QUOTE=Bodhisattva;1062594161]Nobody won... the USA left.[/QUOTE


    .... with its tail between its legs.... I think the word is "retreated"

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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    No, Vietnam was lost because we were fixated on prosecuting a European style war in a foreign country ill-suited for such; not to mention the fact that we allowed ourselves to get into the middle of another country's civil war, which is no place for any right thinking nation to be.

    The idea that our "hands were tied" is naive revisionist history perpetrated by "American Exceptionalists" lost in the misguided (and rather arrogant) perception that America can do no wrong.
    No, the military was not used to it's full potential (not talking about nukes though). If we fought them like the Christmas bombings (Linebacker 2) for an extended period (instead of 11 days, perhaps 11 weeks) it is plausible that it could have went differently. We ignored striking certain areas for years then when we did the north Vietnamese were quick to talk about stopping it.

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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    Quote Originally Posted by Porchev View Post
    No, the military was not used to it's full potential (not talking about nukes though). If we fought them like the Christmas bombings (Linebacker 2) for an extended period (instead of 11 days, perhaps 11 weeks) it is plausible that it could have went differently. We ignored striking certain areas for years then when we did the north Vietnamese were quick to talk about stopping it.
    If it's worth going to war at all, then it's worth going all the way to win. In the case of Vietnam, it was not worth going to war, and we did not go all the way to win. It was more like an Orwellian little unending sort of war. Moreover, it is the first war that Americans could actually see via their television sets, and they didn't like what they saw. America lost its taste for this war than never really was a war after a few years of brutal fighting and getting nowhere.

    America may be exceptional and all, but it made a huge foreign policy blunder in getting involved at all, then it lost the war.

    At least, the Fall of Saigon didn't look like a victory party to me.
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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Well, capitalism won anyway. It always seems to, eventually, even in places like China.
    I was pretty shocked at how Capitalistic Vietnam was, in all honesty...
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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Nobody won... the USA left.

    .... with its tail between its legs.... I think the word is "retreated"
    Retreated. Just trying to get out. No tail between it's legs because we weren't whooped on or beaten.
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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    No, Vietnam was lost because we were fixated on prosecuting a European style war in a foreign country ill-suited for such; not to mention the fact that we allowed ourselves to get into the middle of another country's civil war, which is no place for any right thinking nation to be.

    The idea that our "hands were tied" is naive revisionist history perpetrated by "American Exceptionalists" lost in the misguided (and rather arrogant) perception that America can do no wrong.
    The politicians tied the hands of the military... there is no other way to view it, honestly. Compare the movement of our armies in WWII to Vietnam. If the Germans had been funnelling arms through some country like the Ho Chi Minh Trail we would have gone in there and destroyed them. We would not whine about it being across a border. We bombed Berlin and most of Germany to rubble but not North Vietnam.. again, politics.
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