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  • The French

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  • The British

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  • The Americans

    9 5.77%
  • The Canadians

    2 1.28%
  • The Chinese

    4 2.56%
  • The Russians

    4 2.56%
  • The Japanese

    0 0%
  • The Vietnamese

    71 45.51%
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    44 28.21%
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    19 12.18%
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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Not because we had been defeated on the battlefield. Do you fully understand what, "tactical", means and how it applies to warfare? It's ok to admit that you don't. Most of us fully recognize that you don't know near as much as you think you do.
    Whether we "won" on the battlefield or not is irrelevant. Hannibal won almost every battle he was in, but he still lost the Second Punic War. He intended to conquer or severely weaken Rome. Instead, Carthage was ruined. We intended to keep Communism out of South Vietnam, and the Commies took Saigon two years later. There may have been a South Vietnam when we left in 1973, but how does that even slightly matter when they collapsed two years later? Nobody disputes the bravery, skill, resources, valor, and sacrifice of our armed forces in the conflict, but actual fighting is only one part of the complex political act known as war.
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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Not because we had been defeated on the battlefield. Do you fully understand what, "tactical", means and how it applies to warfare? It's ok to admit that you don't. Most of us fully recognize that you don't know near as much as you think you do.
    You really don't have a clue, do you?
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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    Quote Originally Posted by USA_1 View Post
    You really don't have a clue, do you?
    these are the same folks who will throw rocks at stop signs

    they can't even figure out who won by noting the current name of what was once saigon: ho chi minh city
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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bruce View Post
    America negotiated a truce and then pulled out in a time of peace, then North Vietnam violated the peace and attacked the south after they were gone. Where in that did America give up?
    Nixon knew that after we pulled out eventually South Vietnam would fall to the north. We didn't stay to ensure the truce wasn't violated, did we? Like we did in Korea? We quit and left the South to fend for themselves.
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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    these are the same folks who will throw rocks at stop signs

    they can't even figure out who won by noting the current name of what was once saigon: ho chi minh city
    There was never anything for us to win in Vietnam. Some people just won't accept that.
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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    In that we never stayed in Vietnam long enough to see through what we wanted to be doing there in the first place when we decided to become involved.
    We were there for 21 years.

    What is it we wanted to be doing there in the first place? What were the goals? That's the issue. We had no clear goal, just a platitude about "fighting Communism".
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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    We were there for 21 years.

    What is it we wanted to be doing there in the first place? What were the goals? That's the issue. We had no clear goal, just a platitude about "fighting Communism".
    that too. We weren't supposed to be there in the first place. We ended up giving up on a mission that we never should have embarked on. That's how I see it.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    Right my communist believes are just getting a huge hold of me right now.... Right...... But hey i forgot because "technically" America never declared war on anyone in Vietnam, it was a "police action", so America technically never fought a war in the first place. But i think we can all agree it was a "war" but it was a defeat as the US failed in its political objectives, namely the defense of South Vietnam.

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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    No one won it.

    The US acheived it's goal of making the South militarily self-sufficient, with the premise that the US would continue to supply war materiel as needed. Two years after the US combat troops left Vietnam, the South was defeated, mainly because the Democrat Congress in it's euphoria at having unseated Nixon naturally stabbed America's ally in the back.

    The NORTH Vietnamese achieved their goal of enslaving those in the South as didn't manage to escape.

    Those that have escaped that I've talked to say the Vietnamese lost the war. Since half the Vietnamese won, half lost, that adds up to zero.

    The French haven't won a war since Austerlitz.

    The Russians got what they wanted.
    Uh, Austerlitz wasn't a war, it was a battle, and I'm also pretty sure that France was the single largest contributor to the victory in World War I, as well as numerous other wars.

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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    No one won...........there was a truce.
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