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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    the defensive struggle which would not have been precipitated but because of the presence of the USA and its support of diem

    our forces were placed there with the intent that they would prevent the peoples' government of the viet minh from ruling the nation

    it would appear, from a vietnamese perspective, that the VC and NVA were patriots of their country, by their ridding the nation of an occupying force
    Expect when the North invaded the South we were already pull out and that doesn't excuse the Innocent Southern Vietnamese.
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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    Expect when the North invaded the South we were already pull out and that doesn't excuse the Innocent Southern Vietnamese.
    when we turned tail and left the opposition to the VC/NVA, they were easily overcome the NLF established a unified nation
    that was their objective
    unlike us, they began their efforts having a defined objective

    you speak of slaughter, yet the VC had a code of honor in the way they treated the civilians, which code of conduct likely aided their efforts to gain victory

    (1) Not to do what is likely to damage the land and crops or spoil the houses and belongings of the people;
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    (5) To help them in their daily work (harvesting, fetching firewood, carrying water, sewing, etc.)
    yes, those who opposed their military and political efforts were dealt with harshly. but there was no wanton slaughter by the VC/NVA ... only wish i could say the same for us (my lai)
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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    it would appear, from a vietnamese perspective, that the VC and NVA were patriots of their country, by their ridding the nation of an occupying force
    I believe that is how they are viewed today, isn't it?
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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    You took Cold War history in high school?

    I didn't realize I was dealing with an expert. I only read books and talked to people who lived through it.
    um.... people you talked to that lived through it does not count as the majority opinion of every one who lived through it IM SORRY I DIDNT KNOW YOU WERE AN EXPERT. if they are in america ODDS ARE that they left the ****ing country. obviouslly they didnt like it.
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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    Uhh seriously.... The communists won. We pulled out (gave up) and said well South your on your own now..
    We should of never got in the war...

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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Uhh seriously.... The communists won. We pulled out (gave up) and said well South your on your own now..
    We should of never got in the war...
    Well, we didn't really, "(give up)". But hey, you believe whatever Communist, revisionist history website you're subscribed to.

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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Well, we didn't really, "(give up)". But hey, you believe whatever Communist, revisionist history website you're subscribed to.
    We pulled out, right? Quit fighting? You might be the revisionist.
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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    Quote Originally Posted by USA_1 View Post
    We pulled out, right? Quit fighting? You might be the revisionist.
    Not because we had been defeated on the battlefield. Do you fully understand what, "tactical", means and how it applies to warfare? It's ok to admit that you don't. Most of us fully recognize that you don't know near as much as you think you do.

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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    Quote Originally Posted by USA_1 View Post
    We pulled out, right? Quit fighting? You might be the revisionist.
    America negotiated a truce and then pulled out in a time of peace, then North Vietnam violated the peace and attacked the south after they were gone. Where in that did America give up?
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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bruce View Post
    America negotiated a truce and then pulled out in a time of peace, then North Vietnam violated the peace and attacked the south after they were gone. Where in that did America give up?
    In that we never stayed in Vietnam long enough to see through what we wanted to be doing there in the first place when we decided to become involved.
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    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

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