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  • The French

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  • The British

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  • The Americans

    9 5.77%
  • The Canadians

    2 1.28%
  • The Chinese

    4 2.56%
  • The Russians

    4 2.56%
  • The Japanese

    0 0%
  • The Vietnamese

    71 45.51%
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    44 28.21%
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    19 12.18%
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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    March your not even on the same page as me. Bombing Hanoi the enemy base stopped the vietnam war in 3 days

    December 26, 1972 - North Vietnam agrees to resume peace negotiations within five days of the end of bombing.

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    I assume that you think peace negotiations would result in the NV stopping the war. It would not. You don’t understand Vietnamese culture and how they negotiate. If you did you would not write such a silly post.

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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    The question is who lost the War, and the answer is The Media starting with Walter Cronkite and of course the Politicians that would not let the Military win it.

    Cronkite at the time the most trusted man in America reported the war was lost in 1068 and the political support went to hell after that. Thing was Walter based his report on the Tet Offensive that was surprise attacks all over South Vietnam. Thing is we beat back the Offensive and never lost a major Battle.
    No more interesting history, then revisionist history. Of course, history is all about shoulda, coulda, woulda... but didn't.

    You have a major limitation waging war from a democracy.... if the objectives aren't clear and progress discernible the patience of the electorate wanes... as it should.
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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    Quote Originally Posted by OhIsee.Then View Post
    btw How many MIAs total were there during the US involvement in Vietnam?
    I'm not sure ,but if you added them up along with the US soldiers who suffered (and still suffer in many instances) from PTSD, from the effects of Agent Orange, from drug addiction, from a whole host of disabilities that are common to the soldiers who went to Vietnam, it wouldn't even come close to the impact on the Vietnamese civilians. It was a war that never should have been. The Vietnamese should have had their independence when they won it from the French.
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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    March your not even on the same page as me. Bombing Hanoi the enemy base stopped the vietnam war in 3 days

    December 26, 1972 - North Vietnam agrees to resume peace negotiations within five days of the end of bombing.

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    January 20, 1969 - Richard M. Nixon is inaugurated as the 37th U.S. President and declares "...the greatest honor history can bestow is the title of peacemaker. This honor now beckons America..." He is the fifth President coping with Vietnam and had successfully campaigned on a pledge of "peace with honor."

    January 22, 1969 - Operation Dewey Canyon, the last major operation by U.S. Marines begins in the Da Krong valley.

    January 25, 1969 - Paris peace talks open with the U.S., South Vietnam, North Vietnam and the Viet Cong all in attendance.

    February 23, 1969 - Viet Cong attack 110 targets throughout South Vietnam including Saigon.

    February 25, 1969 - 36 U.S. Marines are killed by NVA who raid their base camp near the Demilitarized Zone.

    March 4, 1969 - President Nixon threatens to resume bombing North Vietnam in retaliation for Viet Cong offenses in the South.

    March 15, 1969 - U.S. troops go on the offensive inside the Demilitarized Zone for the first time since 1968.

    We can see how peace talks didn't stop the war.

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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    I'm not sure ,but if you added them up along with the US soldiers who suffered (and still suffer in many instances) from PTSD, from the effects of Agent Orange, from drug addiction, from a whole host of disabilities that are common to the soldiers who went to Vietnam, it wouldn't even come close to the impact on the Vietnamese civilians. It was a war that never should have been. The Vietnamese should have had their independence when they won it from the French.
    No, they should have had it when the Japanese left instead of the US allowing the French to return.

    And, no, you are way off on your estimation of casualties, way too low. Just think MIA’s. Make no assumptions. If you are within +/- 50% you are good.

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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    The Vietnamese beat the French first and then the Americans and our allies.

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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    Quote Originally Posted by OhIsee.Then View Post
    It wasn’t the “poor” people that decided to flee on boats. The people that fled on boats generally had high class, high paying jobs in or closely related to the corrupt government of the South. I’m not saying that they were bad people, and most were in trouble for being on the losing side so they had reason to flee.
    You would be surprised how many poor people fled as well. One of my best friends in college was a small child when his family fled Saigon. They were certainly not wealthy when they fled.
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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    You would be surprised how many poor people fled as well. One of my best friends in college was a small child when his family fled Saigon. They were certainly not wealthy when they fled.
    A friend & coworker of mine for over 15 years was a boat person. A friend and coworker of my wife was a boat person. Both families, father etc., were among the ‘poor’ people that escaped retribution. They lost everything. Both fathers were high ranking officers in the SVA. Neither family was poor monetarily, they were the wealthy elite. Virtually no common South Vietnamese people could afford to escape, nor were they motivated to escape. If you can talk to your friend, find out why they left. This may take a while, but I bet you’ll find that they were not the poor peasants of South Vietnam. He also may not know that a family member was in the government, e.g. a prison guard.

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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    Quote Originally Posted by OhIsee.Then View Post
    A friend & coworker of mine for over 15 years was a boat person. A friend and coworker of my wife was a boat person. Both families, father etc., were among the ‘poor’ people that escaped retribution. They lost everything. Both fathers were high ranking officers in the SVA. Neither family was poor monetarily, they were the wealthy elite. Virtually no common South Vietnamese people could afford to escape, nor were they motivated to escape. If you can talk to your friend, find out why they left. This may take a while, but I bet you’ll find that they were not the poor peasants of South Vietnam. He also may not know that a family member was in the government, e.g. a prison guard.
    I have a friend that was one of the boat people. Her father worked in the government and they were fairly well off. It wasn't cheap to get a spot on the crowded boats. Her family had the means for her and her sister to get out. It really was quite an ordeal and she didn't think they were going to survive. It's interesting to talk to her about it.
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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    LookingGlass is right. Calling Communism "evil" in and of itself is a stretch. Certainly Communist regimes in the USSR and China have been capable of doing some pretty evil things, but that makes their authoritarian governments evil. IRL, Communism itself isn't evil so much as it is a stupid idea that doesn't really work beyond groups of maybe a few dozen people.
    No i think it is evil because it denies Liberty.

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