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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Everyone loses in war but the definition of win is when the enemy quits and the NV quit
    We quit, too.
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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    Quote Originally Posted by a777pilot View Post
    Now, ask yourself why the US did not support the South with massive air and naval forces in 1975 as we did in 1972, i.e., Linebacker I?

    The Democrats wanted the South to loose, so they, as is the tradition of the Democrats, stabbed the South in the back, with the passage of the Case-Church Amendment, then said, "See, they lost. We told you they would loose."

    The Democrats made sure the South would loose but the USA did not.
    This is a very narrow view of war and victory. You can blame democrats/liberals/media/hippies, for losing the war. That's fine, if that's your opinion. But there is absolutely no way that the United States "won" in Vietnam. In the end we reached none of the objectives that we set for ourselves when we decided to become involved in Vietnam, despite winning every significant tactical engagement. In short, we did not achieve (even remotely) anything that we set out to do when we first got involved in Vietnam. That is not the definition of victory in war.
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    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    Quote Originally Posted by USA_1 View Post
    We quit, too.
    Not at all. It was a strategic retreat...

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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    Quote Originally Posted by ricksfolly View Post
    Not at all. It was a strategic retreat...

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    "Strategic retreat" is merely a bull**** PC synonym for "we got the **** outta there" because the NVA was taking over Saigon.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    "Strategic retreat" is merely a bull**** PC synonym for "we got the **** outta there" because the NVA was taking over Saigon.
    Call it what you want. It still saved thousands of casualties, and that was what really counted, especially if you were one of them.

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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    honestly, America didnt 'lose' the vietnam war because we never had anything TO lose. we werent a key player, we were merely an annoyance to the NVA and a staller of the inevitable. we didnt lose anything in vietnam except human capital which the government doesnt give two ****s about. we made money. thats the bottom line, we didnt lose we just made money.

    THAT BEING SAID, we didnt 'win' either.
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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheGirlNextDoor View Post
    Vietnam wasn't a war - it was a police action. At least as far as the U.S.'s involvement.
    Surely you jest....58000 Americans were slaughtered for no apparent reason and you have the gall to claim it wasnt a war? You are very naive.

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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    Quote Originally Posted by ricksfolly View Post
    Not at all. It was a strategic retreat...

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    much like the strategic retreat of Napoleon after the battle of Waterloo.
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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    Quote Originally Posted by ricksfolly View Post
    Call it what you want. It still saved thousands of casualties, and that was what really counted, especially if you were one of them.

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    you mean american causalities, and that is what really counted, right?
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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    The question is who lost the War, and the answer is The Media starting with Walter Cronkite and of course the Politicians that would not let the Military win it.

    Cronkite at the time the most trusted man in America reported the war was lost in 1068 and the political support went to hell after that. Thing was Walter based his report on the Tet Offensive that was surprise attacks all over South Vietnam. Thing is we beat back the Offensive and never lost a major Battle.

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