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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    Quote Originally Posted by a777pilot View Post
    You might want to go back and research the effects of Linebacker II. We had the NV on their knees begging for us to stop. They sued for peace. We won.

    After just three days all their air force was grounded. All their AA missiles were gone and they would not dare turn on their radars. Their harbors were closed and mined. All their oil stores was gone. Their logistical contacts with the Chinese were gone. The USAF and Navy aircraft were in total and complete domination of the skys. At one point even the Air Force generals were saying there were no more targets of value to hit, with the exception of the dikes. That would have just caused massive civilian casualties. I've talked to some of the POWs that were there during Linebacker II. They know.....We won!


    Read your history. We won.
    happen to be personally familiar with the blackbirds and the taking out of targets in the north (and south)
    but despite the ability to pound physical targets, we lost the war
    we did not have the support of the people
    the enemy outlasted us
    we then declared victory and ran like hell
    abandoning those indigenous citizens who had exposed themselves by being our allies
    to insist we won is quite pathetic
    history tells us we clearly lost that war - one which should never have been fought

    history tells us that on april 30, 1975, the vietnam war ended with the capture of saigon by communist forces and the surrender of general duong vanh minh and his cabinet in the presidential palace

    if you need further indication of which side won, do you really think any but the communists would have renamed saigon ho chi minh city



    one lesson of that war, still not learned by us, is that we at one time provided military support to the viet minh, to later become our enemy
    they subsequently used their lessons in military tactics we taught them to great advantage against us
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    How did they quit...seems to me like we quit by leaving.
    The war was won hands down by the weapons manufacturers and arms suppliers. Same winners in Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya.

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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    Reagan didn't bring down the Berlin wall or end the cold war, Gorbachev did.
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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    The war was won hands down by the weapons manufacturers and arms suppliers. Same winners in Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya.
    that may be your opinion but its not fact. the vietnamese socialists won.
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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Sorry lpast I don't see a link, which post was it?
    Post 229 buddy

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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    Quote Originally Posted by Badfish420 View Post
    Reagan didn't bring down the Berlin wall or end the cold war, Gorbachev did.
    Brilliant!

    That's like saying that Tojo, Hitler and Mussolini won WWII.
    I came into this world fighting, screaming and covered in someone else's blood. I have no problem going out the same way.

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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    Quote Originally Posted by a777pilot View Post
    Brilliant!

    That's like saying that Tojo, Hitler and Mussolini won WWII.
    not even close
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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Post 229 buddy
    lpast, this is the section that mattered to me:

    April 23, 1975 - 100,000 NVA soldiers advance on Saigon which is now overflowing with refugees. On this same day, President Ford gives a speech at Tulane University stating the conflict in Vietnam is "a war that is finished as far as America is concerned."

    April 27, 1975 - Saigon is encircled. 30,000 South Vietnamese soldiers are inside the city but are leaderless. NVA fire rockets into downtown civilian areas as the city erupts into chaos and widespread looting.

    April 28, 1975 - 'Neutralist' General Duong Van "Big" Minh becomes the new president of South Vietnam and appeals for a cease-fire. His appeal is ignored.

    April 29, 1975 - NVA shell Tan Son Nhut air base in Saigon, killing two U.S. Marines at the compound gate. Conditions then deteriorate as South Vietnamese civilians loot the air base. President Ford now orders Operation Frequent Wind, the helicopter evacuation of 7000 Americans and South Vietnamese from Saigon, which begins with the radio broadcast of the song "White Christmas" as a pre-arraigned code signal.

    At Tan Son Nhut, frantic civilians begin swarming the helicopters. The evacuation is then shifted to the walled-in American embassy, which is secured by U.S. Marines in full combat gear. But the scene there also deteriorates, as thousands of civilians attempt to get into the compound.

    Three U.S. aircraft carriers stand by off the coast of Vietnam to handle incoming Americans and South Vietnamese refugees. Many South Vietnamese pilots also land on the carriers, flying American-made helicopters which are then pushed overboard to make room for more arrivals. Filmed footage of the $250,000 choppers being tossed into the sea becomes an enduring image of the war's end.

    April 30, 1975 - At 8:35 a.m., the last Americans, ten Marines from the embassy, depart Saigon, concluding the United States presence in Vietnam. North Vietnamese troops pour into Saigon and encounter little resistance. By 11 a.m., the red and blue Viet Cong flag flies from the presidential palace. President Minh broadcasts a message of unconditional surrender. The war is over.
    I don't see anywhere in that timeline that indicates that the North gave up, and that the US didn't. We withdrew from Vietnam without reunifying it under a Pro-US regime. That sounds like giving up to me. The North reunited Vietnam under a Communist regime. It sounds like the Vietnam War was a military victory for them, where exactly did they "give up"?
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    happen to be personally familiar with the blackbirds and the taking out of targets in the north (and south)
    but despite the ability to pound physical targets, we lost the war
    we did not have the support of the people
    the enemy outlasted us
    we then declared victory and ran like hell
    abandoning those indigenous citizens who had exposed themselves by being our allies
    to insist we won is quite pathetic
    history tells us we clearly lost that war - one which should never have been fought

    history tells us that on april 30, 1975, the vietnam war ended with the capture of saigon by communist forces and the surrender of general duong vanh minh and his cabinet in the presidential palace

    if you need further indication of which side won, do you really think any but the communists would have renamed saigon ho chi minh city



    one lesson of that war, still not learned by us, is that we at one time provided military support to the viet minh, to later become our enemy
    they subsequently used their lessons in military tactics we taught them to great advantage against us
    Now, ask yourself why the US did not support the South with massive air and naval forces in 1975 as we did in 1972, i.e., Linebacker I?

    The Democrats wanted the South to loose, so they, as is the tradition of the Democrats, stabbed the South in the back, with the passage of the Case-Church Amendment, then said, "See, they lost. We told you they would loose."

    The Democrats made sure the South would loose but the USA did not.
    I came into this world fighting, screaming and covered in someone else's blood. I have no problem going out the same way.

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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    Quote Originally Posted by a777pilot View Post
    Now, ask yourself why the US did not support the South with massive air and naval forces in 1975 as we did in 1972, i.e., Linebacker I?

    The Democrats wanted the South to loose, so they, as is the tradition of the Democrats, stabbed the South in the back, with the passage of the Case-Church Amendment, then said, "See, they lost. We told you they would loose."

    The Democrats made sure the South would loose but the USA did not.
    where the **** did u hear this story?
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