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  • The French

    2 1.28%
  • The British

    1 0.64%
  • The Americans

    9 5.77%
  • The Canadians

    2 1.28%
  • The Chinese

    4 2.56%
  • The Russians

    4 2.56%
  • The Japanese

    0 0%
  • The Vietnamese

    71 45.51%
  • No one

    44 28.21%
  • Other

    19 12.18%
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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    You might want to go back and research the effects of Linebacker II. We had the NV on their knees begging for us to stop. They sued for peace. We won.

    After just three days all their air force was grounded. All their AA missiles were gone and they would not dare turn on their radars. Their harbors were closed and mined. All their oil stores was gone. Their logistical contacts with the Chinese were gone. The USAF and Navy aircraft were in total and complete domination of the skys. At one point even the Air Force generals were saying there were no more targets of value to hit, with the exception of the dikes. That would have just caused massive civilian casualties. I've talked to some of the POWs that were there during Linebacker II. They know.....We won!


    Read your history. We won.
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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    Quote Originally Posted by a777pilot View Post
    You might want to go back and research the effects of Linebacker II. We had the NV on their knees begging for us to stop. They sued for peace. We won.

    After just three days all their air force was grounded. All their AA missiles were gone and they would not dare turn on their radars. Their harbors were closed and mined. All their oil stores was gone. Their logistical contacts with the Chinese were gone. The USAF and Navy aircraft were in total and complete domination of the skys. At one point even the Air Force generals were saying there were no more targets of value to hit, with the exception of the dikes. That would have just caused massive civilian casualties. I've talked to some of the POWs that were there during Linebacker II. They know.....We won!


    Read your history. We won.
    What did we win?
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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    Quote Originally Posted by a777pilot View Post
    You might want to go back and research the effects of Linebacker II. We had the NV on their knees begging for us to stop. They sued for peace. We won.

    After just three days all their air force was grounded. All their AA missiles were gone and they would not dare turn on their radars. Their harbors were closed and mined. All their oil stores was gone. Their logistical contacts with the Chinese were gone. The USAF and Navy aircraft were in total and complete domination of the skys. At one point even the Air Force generals were saying there were no more targets of value to hit, with the exception of the dikes. That would have just caused massive civilian casualties. I've talked to some of the POWs that were there during Linebacker II. They know.....We won!


    Read your history. We won.
    I know plenty of South Vietnamese, and many Vietnamese refugees, who would disagree...
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    The Vietnam war was won on the streets of America.

    The VC and NVA lost every battle when they stood and fought against the US.
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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    I know plenty of South Vietnamese, and many Vietnamese refugees, who would disagree...
    That accounts for what exactly ? I know plenty of mexicans that believe the USA is just a suburb of mexico

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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    That accounts for what exactly ? I know plenty of mexicans that believe the USA is just a suburb of mexico
    How exactly did we win in Vietnam? We certainly weren't able to impose a pro-American regime throughout both North and South. We didn't "roll back" Communism. We achieved few, if any, political objectives that our leaders set out to achieve when we first became involved in Vietnam. What precisely did we win? Bombing the enemy into submission doesn't really mean anything if they are still able to cross the DMZ and take over the whole damn country...
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    How exactly did we win in Vietnam? We certainly weren't able to impose a pro-American regime throughout both North and South. We didn't "roll back" Communism. We achieved few, if any, political objectives that our leaders set out to achieve when we first became involved in Vietnam. What precisely did we win? Bombing the enemy into submission doesn't really mean anything if they are still able to cross the DMZ and take over the whole damn country...
    Everyone loses in war but the definition of win is when the enemy quits and the NV quit

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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Everyone loses in war but the definition of win is when the enemy quits and the NV quit
    How did they quit...seems to me like we quit by leaving.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    How did they quit...seems to me like we quit by leaving.
    scroll up and read the link I posted Still

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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    scroll up and read the link I posted Still
    Sorry lpast I don't see a link, which post was it?
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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