View Poll Results: Who won the Vietnam War?

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  • The French

    2 1.28%
  • The British

    1 0.64%
  • The Americans

    9 5.77%
  • The Canadians

    2 1.28%
  • The Chinese

    4 2.56%
  • The Russians

    4 2.56%
  • The Japanese

    0 0%
  • The Vietnamese

    71 45.51%
  • No one

    44 28.21%
  • Other

    19 12.18%
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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    I voted ‘other.’
    What does ‘The French’ or ‘The Americans’ or ‘The Vietnamese’ mean?
    Do you mean the French people, or the American government or the Vietnamese elite?
    Who won what in relation to goals made public, to goals only people in government knew of, to goals that were secret to only to be known at a later time, etc.
    The Vietnam War is a huge subject and I am unsure if we can break it down piece by piece in this thread.
    I mean, do we talk about the aspects of non-interventionism or do we talk about the Gulf of Tonkin incident that was deliberately falsified, or do we talk about the loss of liberty at home during the war, etc?
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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    I voted other ... The Military Industrial Complex is the only clear victor.
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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    So, it was the Communist Party that installed a capitalist system, or it was the Communists that united China? Neither one seems to make a lot of sense.

    Wasn't China pretty unified before the Communists took over?

    Why would a Communist government institute capitalism?
    actually both statements are true. no, to answer your question, china was not unified much at all before Mao came to power, he pulled the country into the modern world, and the later leaders of the party would transition the economic policies to a sort of (and im using this term loosely) capitalist / government controlled market economy.
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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    Let's simplify things then, the government of Vietnam OWNED the government of the United States. Agreed?

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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    Quote Originally Posted by peepnklown View Post
    I voted ‘other.’
    What does ‘The French’ or ‘The Americans’ or ‘The Vietnamese’ mean?
    Do you mean the French people, or the American government or the Vietnamese elite?
    Who won what in relation to goals made public, to goals only people in government knew of, to goals that were secret to only to be known at a later time, etc.
    The Vietnam War is a huge subject and I am unsure if we can break it down piece by piece in this thread.
    I mean, do we talk about the aspects of non-interventionism or do we talk about the Gulf of Tonkin incident that was deliberately falsified, or do we talk about the loss of liberty at home during the war, etc?
    i think we we ask, 'who won', we want to know who ultimately prevailed. let's examine our choices one by one:
    * The French
    they fled in defeat
    * The British
    they never showed up, unlike the aussies and ROK
    * The Americans
    we fled in defeat
    * The Canadians
    nope
    * The Chinese
    they were the wellspring of supplies during the war. vietnam - south as well as north - was in its orbit after the war, making the chinese the ulitmate winner. thru their support, the chinese sent the non Communist world power home in shame. winning!
    * The Russians
    the war fractured its relationship with china, so no, russia lost this one, too
    * The Japanese
    not even playing the game. no position to win or lose
    * The Vietnamese
    many did. those who aided the USA during the war, not so much. Christian Montagnards, who were our foremost indigenous ally, are still being persecuted (and the UN has ceased monitoring the ongoing mistreatment of these people.) the Montagnards were the biggest losers of the war.
    * No one
    only where no one gets hurt. never seen during times of war
    * Other
    another poster, Dion, nailed it. the military industrial complex won ... and continues to win big to this day
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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    Quote Originally Posted by paris View Post
    This question was brought up in another thread about Libya which I don't want to derail any further; but I find it interesting. It appears that many people have a different perspective and I find it funny. So please, cast your vote and if you are enclined explain your choice.

    I have voted the Vietnamese. The goal of their war was to reunite Vietnam and it was achieved.
    Vietnam wasn't a war - it was a police action. At least as far as the U.S.'s involvement.

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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheGirlNextDoor View Post
    Vietnam wasn't a war - it was a police action. At least as far as the U.S.'s involvement.
    Semantics. It was a war, the same way that Harry Truman's Korean "police action" was a war.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheGirlNextDoor View Post
    Vietnam wasn't a war - it was a police action. At least as far as the U.S.'s involvement.
    It was a war and the Vietnamese totally won it.

    Nobody could logically disagree with this statement: "The government of Vietnam won the war against the United States government."

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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    Quote Originally Posted by March View Post
    It was a war and the Vietnamese totally won it.

    Nobody could logically disagree with this statement: "The government of Vietnam won the war against the United States government."

    That's right, they won every battle. Oh, wait...

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