View Poll Results: Who won the Vietnam War?

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  • The French

    2 1.28%
  • The British

    1 0.64%
  • The Americans

    9 5.77%
  • The Canadians

    2 1.28%
  • The Chinese

    4 2.56%
  • The Russians

    4 2.56%
  • The Japanese

    0 0%
  • The Vietnamese

    71 45.51%
  • No one

    44 28.21%
  • Other

    19 12.18%
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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    No one won it.

    The US acheived it's goal of making the South militarily self-sufficient, with the premise that the US would continue to supply war materiel as needed. Two years after the US combat troops left Vietnam, the South was defeated, mainly because the Democrat Congress in it's euphoria at having unseated Nixon naturally stabbed America's ally in the back.

    The NORTH Vietnamese achieved their goal of enslaving those in the South as didn't manage to escape.

    Those that have escaped that I've talked to say the Vietnamese lost the war. Since half the Vietnamese won, half lost, that adds up to zero.

    The French haven't won a war since Austerlitz.

    The Russians got what they wanted.
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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    you could say that their allies (the north vietnamese and the chinese) won also; but they actually had to wage another - seperate - campaign, which i consider to be their victory.
    The North Vietnamese did win they are the only ones which achieved a lasting situation which matched their stated war aims, I consider that a real victory. But no I wouldn't consider the Chinese to exactly be beligerants since they only offered material support even though they were also trying to shape the situation in Indochina.

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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    chinese and russians had boots on the ground. heck, they narrowly avoided being scooped up in the Son Tay raid.

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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    Many of the responses cause me to wonder...... at conservative insitutions of higher learning, do they teach courses in actual History or do they just rename them Rightist Ideology?
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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    Quote Originally Posted by paris View Post
    This question was brought up in another thread about Libya which I don't want to derail any further; but I find it interesting. It appears that many people have a different perspective and I find it funny. So please, cast your vote and if you are enclined explain your choice.

    I have voted the Vietnamese. The goal of their war was to reunite Vietnam and it was achieved.
    I say no one. It was needless and costly for all.

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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    Right, it was liberals and the media who "won" the war and vanquished the United States, not the fact that getting involved in Vietnam IN AND OF ITSELF was a terrible policy mistake and a strategic disaster to begin with. Blame the hippies, the druggies, the media, and the college students, not the McNamaras
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    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    I would vote that the socialists in the U.S. won.

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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Right, it was liberals and the media who "won" the war and vanquished the United States, not the fact that getting involved in Vietnam IN AND OF ITSELF was a terrible policy mistake and a strategic disaster to begin with. Blame the hippies, the druggies, the media, and the college students, not the McNamaras
    I agree with this without sarcasm. It was the media. And it was america's decision to go without full support. BUT i think if America is in a war, we should never half-ass it. All-in or never go. The majority hippies/media/left lost the debate and the Vietnam action had a lot of support, and when the hippies were unsuccessful, they needed to just support america's decision and not just ruin america's war policy during the war causing more unneeded american deaths and total failure of a war.

    I've seen this same agruement liberal people use against bitter conservative's on Obama. He's president, so we should recognize and support him, and not just purposely destroy america and him just because you don't like him to toss-in a candidate you like instead.

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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post
    I agree with this without sarcasm. It was the media. And it was america's decision to go without full support. BUT i think if America is in a war, we should never half-ass it. All-in or never go. The majority hippies/media/left lost the debate and the Vietnam action had a lot of support, and when the hippies were unsuccessful, they needed to just support america's decision and not just ruin america's war policy during the war causing more unneeded american deaths and total failure of a war.

    I've seen this same agruement liberal people use against bitter conservative's on Obama. He's president, so we should recognize and support him, and not just purposely destroy america and him just because you don't like him to toss-in a candidate you like instead.
    Well, I actually WAS being sarcastic. If a war doesn't have the public's full support behind it, it likely isn't a very good policy decision. In which case the blame lies with the policymakers, not the people who are against the war, because if you fight stupid wars there NECESSARILY WILL BE PEOPLE OUT THERE TO PROTEST IT. Vietnam was a stupid war. The war was lost from the moment JFK decided to become involved. Even if we had "won" the war, we still would have lost because the sacrifice simply would not have been worth it. It was simply a mistake to get involved in the first place, and everything that the policymakers decided to do after that simply compounded their original error.
    Last edited by StillBallin75; 03-22-11 at 04:45 PM.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    Quote Originally Posted by Patrickt View Post
    I would vote that the socialists in the U.S. won.
    I agree with this without sarcasm. It was the media. And it was america's decision to go without full support. BUT i think if America is in a war, we should never half-ass it. All-in or never go. The majority hippies/media/left lost the debate and the Vietnam action had a lot of support, and when the hippies were unsuccessful, they needed to just support america's decision and not just ruin america's war policy during the war causing more unneeded american deaths and total failure of a war.

    I've seen this same agruement liberal people use against bitter conservative's on Obama. He's president, so we should recognize and support him, and not just purposely destroy america and him just because you don't like him to toss-in a candidate you like instead.
    What are people on today?

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