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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    But had South Viet Nam fallen to the Communists in 1954, the situation in Southeast Asia could have been VERY different. The entire region was FAR MORE vulnerable to Communism in 1954 than it was in 1975. In 1954, the Domino Theory was have been FAR more likely to play out than it was in 1975. Just take a look at what was going on in Thailand, Burma, Indonesia, Malaysia and the Philippines in the 1950s and 1960s if you question this... or you can simply ignore it as it was last time this point was made...
    as we can see from the current state of communist china, falling prey to communism would have retarded those countries' economic and social development [/sarcasm]
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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    as we can see from the current state of communist china, falling prey to communism would have retarded those countries' economic and social development [/sarcasm]
    Not even China is really a Communist country any more. It would be a lot easier to compete with in international trade if it were, but it's not. Communism is dead.
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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Not even China is really a Communist country any more. It would be a lot easier to compete with in international trade if it were, but it's not. Communism is dead.
    but notice how it was not positioned to be able to compete internationally until its experiment with communism
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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    but notice how it was not positioned to be able to compete internationally until its experiment with communism
    Not until its experiment with Communism ended. Communism died because it does not work, not because of any wars we fought during the cold war.
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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Not until its experiment with Communism ended. Communism died because it does not work, not because of any wars we fought during the cold war.
    but without its employment of communism, red china would not now be positioned to assume the role of the world's dominant economic power
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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    but without its employment of communism, red china would not now be positioned to assume the role of the world's dominant economic power
    Had they never been Communist, they wouldn't now be a world economic power? How did you come to that conclusion?
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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Had they never been Communist, they wouldn't now be a world economic power? How did you come to that conclusion?
    one huge nation under one government, with the marshaling of national assets to create an infrastructure capable of competing internationally

    without communism china would still be mired in third world status

    this is an inconvenient truth that many will want to deny
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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    one huge nation under one government, with the marshaling of national assets to create an infrastructure capable of competing internationally

    without communism china would still be mired in third world status

    this is an inconvenient truth that many will want to deny

    Why is that? The US became a world power without Communism. Singapore, Korea, Japan, all prospered without any experience with Communism. China is growing so fast because of its demography and the adoption of Capitalism. It helps that the government is behind the growth by building infrastructure, but the government can do that without being a one-party autocratic system. And it can also be a one-party autocratic system without adopting Communism. Objectively, they don't have causal relationships.
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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    Quote Originally Posted by nonpareil View Post
    Why is that? The US became a world power without Communism. Singapore, Korea, Japan, all prospered without any experience with Communism. China is growing so fast because of its demography and the adoption of Capitalism. It helps that the government is behind the growth by building infrastructure, but the government can do that without being a one-party autocratic system. And it can also be a one-party autocratic system without adopting Communism. Objectively, they don't have causal relationships.
    ... China seems, under the direction of its Communist Party, to be at last in the process of installing a capitalist system and of permanently reversing the extraordinary economic decline the country witnessed between 1850 and 1978 (Maddison, 1995). ...
    and here is your question, followed by a cite with the answer:
    ... how did a Communist Party that rejected all forms of a market economy during its first 30 years in power succeed in establishing capitalism in China when so many attempts had failed after the mid-nineteenth century. Instead of relying on the traditional economic explanation based on labor, capital, and productivity that is favored by economists and that has been well discussed in the economic literature, we will focus more on the political and social factors that explain this acceleration of history. ...
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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    So, it was the Communist Party that installed a capitalist system, or it was the Communists that united China? Neither one seems to make a lot of sense.

    Wasn't China pretty unified before the Communists took over?

    Why would a Communist government institute capitalism?
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