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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    Obviously, the North Vietnamese.
    They were destined to win and rule all along.
    That we had an unfounded fear of communism cost the lives of thousands of Americans..
    And this may happen again.
    Destiny? wow you sound like your telling a Greek legend.
    And the fear of communism is not unfounded, it stem's from the very foundation's of American value's; it's natural for an American, especially during that time to fear for the spread of communism... it is evil

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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post
    Destiny? wow you sound like your telling a Greek legend.
    And the fear of communism is not unfounded, it stem's from the very foundation's of American value's; it's natural for an American, especially during that time to fear for the spread of communism... it is evil
    Nonsense, it just doesn't work.

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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    Quote Originally Posted by LookingGlass View Post
    Nonsense, it just doesn't work.
    LookingGlass is right. Calling Communism "evil" in and of itself is a stretch. Certainly Communist regimes in the USSR and China have been capable of doing some pretty evil things, but that makes their authoritarian governments evil. IRL, Communism itself isn't evil so much as it is a stupid idea that doesn't really work beyond groups of maybe a few dozen people.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    The poll is incomplete. The war was won by the NVA. They forced the Americans to eventually run with their "tails 'tween their legs". America was defeated by a gang of illiterate Koolies.

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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    Hardly. They had their fair share of support, no doubt, but did they really have a choice? Communism talks a good game, plus the Communist Party was an organizing principle that the south lacked sufficiently in opposition, but when it was over in '75, communists reverted to their true colors and purged ideological dissent. That is the only way a "communist" movement can survive post conflict: it becomes a autocracy. The people of Vietnam suffered decades of maltreatment.
    um.. so your saying because the commies are persuasive and charismatic the vietnamese people had no choice? thats a funny statement coming from someone living in a democratic country. you do support democracy dont you?
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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    Quote Originally Posted by Yukon View Post
    The poll is incomplete. The war was won by the NVA. They forced the Americans to eventually run with their "tails 'tween their legs". America was defeated by a gang of illiterate Koolies.
    I think they were called goons, not koolies.

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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    Quote Originally Posted by Yukon View Post
    The poll is incomplete. The war was won by the NVA. They forced the Americans to eventually run with their "tails 'tween their legs". America was defeated by a gang of illiterate Koolies.
    In short;
    LOL...I don't know why I am going to waste my time with this but here goes. The NVA backed by Russia, China and the Vietmanese people who had a very strong will and cause in their belief won the war. Now America could have easily won this war if the rules of engagement were different, non the less America may have won the war but it would have never won the peace. BTW we chose to leave Vietnam because of no support back home and the eventual realization that it was a lost cause in trying to change the minds of a people we really knew very little about. The Vietnam war IMO was really about keeping Russia and China in check. Although during that time little did we realize that Communism will always fail and eventually collapse within it's self.
    Last edited by deltabtry; 03-24-11 at 08:58 PM.

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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    Quote Originally Posted by Yukon View Post
    The poll is incomplete. The war was won by the NVA. They forced the Americans to eventually run with their "tails 'tween their legs". America was defeated by a gang of illiterate Koolies.
    Only because of politics... otherwise we could have and would have killed every single one of them, as well as invade and conquer that dinky little island 90 miles to the south...
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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    LookingGlass is right. Calling Communism "evil" in and of itself is a stretch. Certainly Communist regimes in the USSR and China have been capable of doing some pretty evil things, but that makes their authoritarian governments evil. IRL, Communism itself isn't evil so much as it is a stupid idea that doesn't really work beyond groups of maybe a few dozen people.
    Communisn only works in theory.

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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    Quote Originally Posted by deltabtry View Post
    Communisn only works in theory.
    Precisely Theory and practice are two very different things. Communism just plain doesn't work because of human nature, it might work if human beings were perfect (in which case they would no longer be human). That doesn't make communist ideology, or people who are communists, evil, it's just that it's a flawed ideology.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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