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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Isn't the doctor who treats himself someone who has a fool for a patient? Seeking affirmation in everything only shows the strength of ones onw bias.
    which is why i'm actually glad that our institutions are left wing; though i wish they would allow some contrarian viewpoints. it forces conservative students to think and helps keep the liberal ones dumb.

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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    3 decades later; what was it HW Bush crowed after the first Gulf War? "We have licked Vietnam Syndrom"? there's a reason it had to be licked. and how did the Left lead the charge against the Iraq War? it's vietnam, it's vietnam, it's vietnam...
    Are you comparing the miltitary abilities of the North Vietnamese with the Iraqis???? Well, if that's the case don't forget to add the Grenada war feather to your cap.

    And even still, eight years later the corrupt government we helped set up there can't stand against its own people with out the continued occupation by the most powerful military on the planet.
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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Are you comparing the miltitary abilities of the North Vietnamese with the Iraqis
    nope, simply pointing out that vietnam became a rallying cry for the left as a symbol of their ability to counteract the US' ability to wage war.

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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    nope, simply pointing out that vietnam became a rallying cry for the left as a symbol of their ability to counteract the US' ability to wage war.
    Some wars are just not meant to be waged, in my opinion. In the past few decades policymakers have been all too cavalier in their deployment of armed force to solve problems.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    nope, simply pointing out that vietnam became a rallying cry for the left as a symbol of their ability to counteract the US' ability to wage war.

    I'm proud to have helped put an end to needless killing
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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I'm proud to have helped put an end to needless killing
    so you consider the hell that was unleashed following the fall of SVietnam to have been 'needful killing'? i have a Hmong buddy whose family (what's left of it) might take exception to that.

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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    so you consider the hell that was unleashed following the fall of SVietnam to have been 'needful killing'? i have a Hmong buddy whose family (what's left of it) might take exception to that.
    Maybe the killing in Vietnam and Cambodia would not be so horrendous without US involvement. If the South was not supplied by the US to fight against the North, the unification of the country would have happened much sooner with much less hunger for vengance by the North. In cambodia, without US encouragement, who knows if Lon Nol would actually succeed in overthrowing Sikhanouk, then there would not have been the insanity of the Khmer Rouge.

    Politicians should not play God, especially in regions with cultures they couldn't understand.
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    And I wasn't making an appeal to authority, I was making an appeal to the philosophical body of work of the founders, the worth and content of which should be well-known to anyone with a cursory understanding of basic history and philosophy.

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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    Quote Originally Posted by nonpareil View Post
    Maybe the killing in Vietnam and Cambodia would not be so horrendous without US involvement. If the South was not supplied by the US to fight against the North, the unification of the country would have happened much sooner with much less hunger for vengance by the North. In cambodia, without US encouragement, who knows if Lon Nol would actually succeed in overthrowing Sikhanouk, then there would not have been the insanity of the Khmer Rouge.

    Politicians should not play God, especially in regions with cultures they couldn't understand.
    Your justifying the Slaughter of the South by the North with U.S. involvement?

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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    3 decades later; what was it HW Bush crowed after the first Gulf War? "We have licked Vietnam Syndrom"? there's a reason it had to be licked. and how did the Left lead the charge against the Iraq War? it's vietnam, it's vietnam, it's vietnam...
    Reagan didn't seem to feel the same way when he ordered troops into Grenada. Or the air strike against Libya.
    Quote Originally Posted by Free_Radical View Post

    And I wasn't making an appeal to authority, I was making an appeal to the philosophical body of work of the founders, the worth and content of which should be well-known to anyone with a cursory understanding of basic history and philosophy.

    Brian

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    Re: Who won the Vietnam War?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    Your justifying the Slaughter of the South by the North with U.S. involvement?
    Did I say anywhere that the North was justified?
    Quote Originally Posted by Free_Radical View Post

    And I wasn't making an appeal to authority, I was making an appeal to the philosophical body of work of the founders, the worth and content of which should be well-known to anyone with a cursory understanding of basic history and philosophy.

    Brian

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