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  • I supported the invasion of Iraq and I support the Libyan Intervention

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  • I opposed the Invasion of Iraq, I support the Libyan Intervention

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  • I supported the Invasion of Iraq, I oppose the Libyan Intervention

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Thread: Where Were You in 2002? Where are you today?

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    Re: Where Were You in 2002? Where are you today?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    Our nation must grow, must become more civilized.. When others are in danger of being murdered, we must step in..
    Its the price one must pay if we are to be a true "world power".
    Its in the world's and our interest that people not be repressed ,that we live in peace.
    Oh, but dictators bring stability. And stability is peace. Isn't that how it works? Good enough for the Cold War. Why not now? If we pay no attention to the festering masses underneath who gradually and exponentially turn towards God to liberate them then there is no problem, right? We can simply assume that there is no problem and that killing about 20 terrorists after they've murdered our people will help keep the illusion intact, right?

    I just don't get how people have managed to convince themselves that ignorance and simplicity creates them wisdom. I guess Washington politicians had to have come from somewhere.
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    Re: Where Were You in 2002? Where are you today?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    1) Supported Afghanistan
    2) Supported Iraq, because I was in 7th grade and didn't know jack and wuz like "**** yeah let's go kick Saddam's ass!" Later on I grew up and realized what a strategic blunder it was.
    3) I'm not outright opposed to Libyan intervention, but I don't think it's the best idea in the world.
    supported, but NOT NOW, afghanistan
    DID NOT support araq
    support libya as long as we don't put troops on the ground in any fighting capacity

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Where Were You in 2002? Where are you today?

    My position is best summed up as: Stay the **** out of it, our education system needs money and more attention.

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    Re: Where Were You in 2002? Where are you today?

    Megaprogman: "The fundamental difference between Libya and Iraq is that the Libyan population is in active revolt against the government and are agitating for a democracy. The citizens in Iraq were not and, I believe, were not ready to take that fundamental step towards self rule and the poor results (rampant corruption, continuing sectarian violence, continuing tribalism, etc) are the result of that premature liberation. Another major difference is that the people of Libya were asking for our help while there is no evidence I know of that the people in Iraq did the same."

    I'm curious. If people in Iraq weren't in revolt then why was Hussein gassing the Kurds with non-existent mustard gas and killing Shiites in the South. My reason for supporting the invasion was simply that we had encouraged the revolt and then abandoned the people to Hussein.

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    Re: Where Were You in 2002? Where are you today?

    Quote Originally Posted by Patrickt View Post
    Megaprogman: "The fundamental difference between Libya and Iraq is that the Libyan population is in active revolt against the government and are agitating for a democracy. The citizens in Iraq were not and, I believe, were not ready to take that fundamental step towards self rule and the poor results (rampant corruption, continuing sectarian violence, continuing tribalism, etc) are the result of that premature liberation. Another major difference is that the people of Libya were asking for our help while there is no evidence I know of that the people in Iraq did the same."

    I'm curious. If people in Iraq weren't in revolt then why was Hussein gassing the Kurds with non-existent mustard gas and killing Shiites in the South. My reason for supporting the invasion was simply that we had encouraged the revolt and then abandoned the people to Hussein.
    yeah.....back in 1991.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Where Were You in 2002? Where are you today?

    Quote Originally Posted by Patrickt View Post
    I'm curious. If people in Iraq weren't in revolt then why was Hussein gassing the Kurds with non-existent mustard gas and killing Shiites in the South. My reason for supporting the invasion was simply that we had encouraged the revolt and then abandoned the people to Hussein.
    It's interesting, because the precise reason many people were/are against Iraq is precisely the same reason Cheney & co. decided not to finish the job back in '91.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Where Were You in 2002? Where are you today?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    Where were you standing when GW Bush decided that Saddam Hussein needed to be removed from power by US military action?

    Where are you standing now, when Obama has decided to intervene in Libya?

    Are your positions consistent or blindly partisan?

    Mayor Snorkum opposed both because in neither case was a definable US interest served.

    Mayor Snorkum is also a US military veteran.

    Mayor Snorkum is neither Republican nor Democrat, but a Libertarian.
    Back in 2002 I was starting my senior year of High School and at the time I was supportive of the Iraq war but after I got out of High School and discovered Lew Rockwell's writings among others, I realized that I was wrong. Wars should only be fought in defense and only defense. I my positions on foreign policy, taxes, civil liberties, government, etc have been consistent. My father, uncle, grandfather and great uncle are military veterans.
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    Re: Where Were You in 2002? Where are you today?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    Where Were You in 2002? Where are you today?
    In 2002 I was working overnight as a crane operator in an aluminum extrusion company. Awesome job. I was looking into collage and military, and enjoyed coming home every day to my 1 y/o son and wife.

    Now in 2011, I'm a carpenter and soldier looking at a deployment while fighting the X wife to bring my sons back to SD as I haven't seen them since Sept'10. I'm looking forward to my new apartment next month, which will be the first time I've lived alone, seeing my kids and and pursuing a masters after deployment

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    Re: Where Were You in 2002? Where are you today?

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    Too many assumed that bombng out and ridding ourselves of Hussein (who's throne was preserved by the West and that wonderful peace loving UN) meant bombing out the rest of the region to affect change. I argued that this wasn't the case. You are witnessing this truth today. I don't know what your point is here.

    Also, President Clinton, along with e French handled the slaughter in Kosovo even as the UN condemned it our actions and refused to approve intervention. I don't really care about what permission or illusions people get from having the UN approve of us. The UN is not going to fix this region. It's up to nations to assume responsibility of what it helped facilitate. The UN is a late comer (and our creation) and full of dictators who are more eager with preserving their own powers than weakening them by voting to oust another.

    In the mean time, dictators are continuing to oppress and brutalize any political oppositions and thereby worsening the radical bases. Removing Saddam Hussein shouldhave shown how silent, but large the radical base was. The longer we sit by and pretend that it "isn't our business" the larger this base grows. The more they hate the West. And the more the explosion will be when the dictator finally does go away. Support ridding them now, or send your kid off to a more dangerous situation tomorrow.
    I bought the argument on Kosovo that we were not the police of the world. So, bringing up Clinton is of little value here.

    My point is a simple one, there is a difference, a real difference between invading a country that has not attacked you, is not killing his own at the time, is contained, on a pretext, outside the UN, and ocuupying than stopping ongoing killing, within the UN, and not occupying. This is even different than what Clinton did.

    And yes, there have always been dictators. And they are almost always brutal. Bad for all concerned. But that does not give any other natiion to the right to invade and occupy. Doing so when a people have already stood up is also very different than doing so without them standing up and imposing ourselves on them. The difference is real and not to be dismissed.

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    Re: Where Were You in 2002? Where are you today?

    Oh this thread is about Bush. Well now I'm totally disinterested.

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