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    Re: Are we doing the right thing in Libya?

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    Re: Are we doing the right thing in Libya?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    Gee. you haven't defined the emergent crisis threatening the immediate security of the United States in your argument.

    You think maybe that the US military is a toy the president can use at whim, and the requirement that the Congress declare war nothing but a formality?

    As I said, you people are singing a predictably different tune when it's your foolish candidate in the White House than when the Republicans held that office.

    And you have not one shred of shame when it's pointed out.
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    Re: Are we doing the right thing in Libya?

    Quote Originally Posted by ElijahGalt View Post
    Since there is no talk of putting boots on the ground, it appears we're just bombing for the sake of bombing. I don't see any way of changing the situation without forcibly removing the current dictator and replacing him with a puppet. I do not support such a proposition and I don't support the current bombing campaigns.

    There's really no good answer to the situation in Libya, but I believe it is ultimately the responsibility of the Libyan people to determine their own future, by any means necessary.

    What are your thoughts?
    The real solution in Libya is that it is up to the Libyans. We don't have proper say since Libya is a sovereign nation. However, what we're currently doing is about the biggest half-assed approach to doing something that we could take. We're not really going to help out the situation there and we have to still worry about Afghanistan and Iraq first so we can't really commit to another war (why are we setting up perpetual war?). In the end, it's pretty much the same as Bosnia.
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    Re: Are we doing the right thing in Libya?

    Quote Originally Posted by ElijahGalt View Post
    Since there is no talk of putting boots on the ground, it appears we're just bombing for the sake of bombing. I don't see any way of changing the situation without forcibly removing the current dictator and replacing him with a puppet. I do not support such a proposition and I don't support the current bombing campaigns.

    There's really no good answer to the situation in Libya, but I believe it is ultimately the responsibility of the Libyan people to determine their own future, by any means necessary.

    What are your thoughts?
    I largely agree with you. However, it is hard to watch those standing up get killed and do nothing. Too often we've acted for reasons less noble. This seems like the type of thing the UN should address. However, they have limits and it is likley to be long, drawn out, and costly.

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    Re: Are we doing the right thing in Libya?

    I think our president has gone crazy. Absolutely Looney-Tunes.

    A no-fly zone, in my mind, is, "Libya!! If you put military planes in the air, we are going to shoot them down." It does not mean bombing Daffy's compound, bombing military installations or anything else. We are waaaay off the mark here. If Obama puts troops into Libya, he is a one-term president for sure. And possibily a candidate for impeachment unless he gets Congressional approval. Even I will march in the streets if we put our guys on the ground. I think he's gone insane.
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    Re: Are we doing the right thing in Libya?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I think our president has gone crazy. Absolutely Looney-Tunes.

    A no-fly zone, in my mind, is, "Libya!! If you put military planes in the air, we are going to shoot them down." It does not mean bombing Daffy's compound, bombing military installations or anything else. We are waaaay off the mark here.
    Please, spare us the "I had no idea what I was supporting" routine. Was it really so difficult to foresee that the no-fly zone would quickly evolve into something more, especially when many of us were warning about that very problem? Every no-fly zone in the history of warfare has involved bombing military installations to neutralize anti-aircraft machinery. Otherwise the planes that patrol the no-fly zone would be sitting ducks for Gaddafi to shoot down.

    Yes, it's "absolutely looney-tunes" to be involved. And I guess that makes you Bugs Bunny.
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    Re: Are we doing the right thing in Libya?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Please, spare us the "I had no idea what I was supporting" routine. Was it really so difficult to foresee that the no-fly zone would quickly evolve into something more, especially when many of us were warning about that very problem? Every no-fly zone in the history of warfare has involved bombing military installations to neutralize anti-aircraft machinery. Otherwise the planes that patrol the no-fly zone would be sitting ducks for Gaddafi to shoot down.

    Yes, it's "absolutely looney-tunes" to be involved. And I guess that makes you Bugs Bunny.
    You'll have to call me naive' then, because I absolutely did not foresee what's happening. I do understand what you're saying about sitting ducks, but I have to wonder if that's really the case. Would our planes be sitting ducks?

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    Re: Are we doing the right thing in Libya?

    Quote Originally Posted by ElijahGalt View Post
    Since there is no talk of putting boots on the ground, it appears we're just bombing for the sake of bombing. I don't see any way of changing the situation without forcibly removing the current dictator and replacing him with a puppet. I do not support such a proposition and I don't support the current bombing campaigns.

    There's really no good answer to the situation in Libya, but I believe it is ultimately the responsibility of the Libyan people to determine their own future, by any means necessary.

    What are your thoughts?
    My thoughts...

    Well, my perspective comes from my grandmother. She was a orphan, born in Yugoslavia during war and genocide. I support the UN trying to stop genocide and trying to stop a dictator from killing his own citizens. I am pretty much just looking at this from POV of the people being murdered. If I were in their shoes, I'd want help too. How could every country in the world watch such madness and just look away, not feel compelled to try to stop the actions of Gaddafi?

    I don't know what's the best thing to do... but I am glad we are trying to do the right thing, and that is to stop a massacre. We shouldn't get in the middle of their government or tell them how to govern, or help put somebody in power... Leave that to the Libyan people.

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    Re: Are we doing the right thing in Libya?

    I have been so busy working... I really have no idea what the GOP and Democrats are saying about this...

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    Re: Are we doing the right thing in Libya?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    You'll have to call me naive' then, because I absolutely did not foresee what's happening. I do understand what you're saying about sitting ducks, but I have to wonder if that's really the case. Would our planes be sitting ducks?

    Bugs Bunny, huh? Well, I've certainly been called worse! *Smiling*
    To enforce a nofly zone you have to be able to do regular flight ops over an area. To do regular flight ops over an area, you have to ensure that anti-air ground defenses are not an issue. As soon as I heard nofly zone, I knew that it would involve strikes.
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