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    Re: Are we doing the right thing in Libya?

    Our actions so far would qualify as a right thing. The world is not all black and white. Extremely complex situations cannot be broken down into "right" or "wrong". We are going in supporting the UN action, which may include boots on the ground from nations other than us. Diplomatically, it is a good thing for the US. Maybe not the best thing, but a good thing. Militarily, it is far from the worst thing we could do. For the rebels, it is hard to say.
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    Re: Are we doing the right thing in Libya?

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    The Constitution doesn't say Congress has the sole power, just that Congress has the power to declare war, and it doesn't deny that power to the President either.
    I think the War Powers Resolution sugests otherwise. At least, I can't see "serious threat" or attack.

    The War Powers Resolution of 1973 (50 U.S.C. 15411548) was a United States Congress joint resolution providing that the President can send U.S. armed forces into action abroad only by authorization of Congress or if the United States is already under attack or serious threat.

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    Re: Are we doing the right thing in Libya?

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    I think the War Powers Resolution sugests otherwise. At least, I can't see "serious threat" or attack.
    You left out this bit.

    The War Powers Resolution requires the president to notify Congress within 48 hours of committing armed forces to military action and forbids armed forces from remaining for more than 60 days, with a further 30 day withdrawal period,
    So Obama's within his rights to commit forces, but can't keep them there for more than 60 days without approval.
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    Re: Are we doing the right thing in Libya?

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    So Obama's within his rights to commit forces, but can't keep them there for more than 60 days without approval.
    OK, dude, where is the "serious threat" for the US now? Or we can twist terms as to fit whatever we want? If so, the legislation is really just a piece of paper.

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    Re: Are we doing the right thing in Libya?

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    OK, dude, where is the "serious threat" for the US now? Or we can twist terms as to fit whatever we want?
    The President can deploy troops for 60 days without congressional approval, it's only after those 60 days that he needs to get approval.

    The text of the War Power Resolution states:

    (b) Within sixty calendar days after a report is submitted or is required to be submitted pursuant to section 4(a)(1), whichever is earlier, the President shall terminate any use of United States Armed Forces with respect to which such report was submitted (or required to be submitted), unless the Congress (1) has declared war or has enacted a specific authorization for such use of United States Armed Forces, (2) has extended by law such sixty-day period, or (3) is physically unable to meet as a result of an armed attack upon the United States. Such sixty-day period shall be extended for not more than an additional thirty days if the President determines and certifies to the Congress in writing that unavoidable military necessity respecting the safety of United States Armed Forces requires the continued use of such armed forces in the course of bringing about a prompt removal of such forces.
    The President can deploy troops, but if he does, must report all their actions and such to Congress, and if he doesn't have approval after 60 days, has to cancel the deployment.
    If so, the legislation is really just a piece of paper.
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    Re: Are we doing the right thing in Libya?

    I support the US President acting on behalf of the Libyan people but I have lots of problems with our actions to date.

    We should have acted weeks ago with or without the UN. 0bama's dithering is a sign of weakness on his part. Other tyrants are taking notice.

    Gaddafi's ability to conduct ground offensives against civilians must be stopped and so far little has been done to achieve that.

    0bama put a time limit of "days not weeks" on US involvement. This will only encourage Gaddafi to stay.

    0bama publicly stated "Gaddafi must leave" and that policy apparently has been put on the back burner. Why?
    The national security of the United States can never be left in the hands of liberals.

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    Re: Are we doing the right thing in Libya?

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    It's a revolution. It is two sides battling it out for their own country.
    Let them get to it, if they lose. They never had the immense broad support that was seen in Egypt and Tunisia.
    If they win, then we welcome them into the fold.
    This is a revolution and the Libyan rebels have been fighting all alone and they are losing. They have very little to stop tanks and nothing to stop artillery battery’s shelling their cities. If the airstrikes had not happened I firmly believe Benghazi would be under attack by Gaddafi's butchers or already captured.

    The difference between Libya and the uprisings in Egypt-Tunisia is that their military didn't slaughter innocent men, women and children or hire mercenaries to do it.

    The support for the Libyan rebels is alive and well in Benghazi and elsewhere. The visible support for the rebels in Gaddafi controlled areas is non-existent for obvious reasons. They saw what happened to the last folks who protested.
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    Re: Are we doing the right thing in Libya?

    Quote Originally Posted by ElijahGalt View Post
    There's really no good answer to the situation in Libya, but I believe it is ultimately the responsibility of the Libyan people to determine their own future, by any means necessary.

    What are your thoughts?
    If it wasn't for foreign intervention, the United States probably would not have been created, as the colonies relied on foreigners in order to help secure their independence from Great Britain.

    The most well-known is the alliance the colonies formed with France, who 1) provided ammunition and supplies, 2) provided infantry reinforcements, 3) had it's navy engage the British navy off the American coast, and 4) engaged the British military in Europe and and in possessions in India.

    Without this intervention on behalf of France, it is dubious as to whether the colonies would have been able to wear down the British military so much as to make them want to leave the colonies.

    Not as well known were the efforts of Friedrich von Steuben, a Prussian military officer. He traveled to the colonies and found the soldiers of the Continental Army woefully untrained and undisciplined. So he developed a training program and had 120 men go through it. Those 120 men trained other groups, and so on and so on. Because of von Steuben's efforts, the Continental Army was transformed from a ragtag militia of agrarian volunteers to a corps of soldiers with a high degree of professionalism, enough so to go up against the mightiest military at that time.

    So yes, I am all for foreign intervention, considering the U.S. was founded only with the help of it. Or rather I don't dismiss it out of hand.

    And because the people of Libya want foreign aid in order to bring down the dictator who is willing to mass murder his own people, I believe that we are justified in doing so.

    And those people are not equipped or prepared to do it on their own. They don't have the armament, they don't have the training, and they don't have the discipline. And they are going against death squads who are killing everyone they see just to make a buck.

    And considering the importance of the petroleum in Libya to the world stage and to the allies of the U.S. it is in the interest of the U.S. to help stabilize that region even if military force must be used. The U.N. support gives formal legitimacy for action and support from the Arab League only increases that legitimacy.

    So everything that is going on there demands that the Libyan people get help from somewhere. I am glad that the U.S. is providing that help. I'm also glad that other nations are helping too.
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    Re: Are we doing the right thing in Libya?

    No. Of course not.

    No US interest is served by wasting time and resources in Libya. They're having a little civil war, let them enjoy it while they can, and let's try to back away from the foolishness of following the lead of the French.

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    Re: Are we doing the right thing in Libya?

    Also, I would like to say I voted "Other."

    Your question asked "If we're doing the right thing in Libya." I agree that the U.S. with the help of other nations needs to support the rebels. However I disagree that the only thing we should do is to create a no-fly zone or a no-drive zone.

    Eventually, at some level, we're going to need to put boots on the ground. The nightmare scenario is that we're going to have to send large numbers of troops to fight for and defend the rebels directly. A more acceptable alternative is that we send military advisers to train the rebels so they are better able to defend themselves.

    So I voted "other" because while I think the U.S. should support those rebels I think it is inevitable that we're going to have to go a few steps farther, and those steps should not be dismissed out of hand.
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