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De-fund NPR and PBS

Defund NPR and PBS!

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    Votes: 41 47.7%
  • I disagree.

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Tea bagging conservatives are not noted for being "well-read".

Depends on the Tea Partier. Some are well read. Some liberals, some conservatives, some democrats, some republicans, some libertarians are not. Comments like yours don't add to any debate, they only seek to minimize those they disagree with, usually done by those who can't actually articulate a reasoned argument(see what I did there? The irony was intentional).
 
Not noted by the clannish liberals who really need to get out more. You know, having all of Noam Chomsky's books in pristine condition on your coffee table doesn't really make you well read. So, I know a few liberals and some conservatives who read. Come to think of it though, I don't know a single conservative who confuses Michael Moores movies with reality.
 
Not noted by the clannish liberals who really need to get out more. You know, having all of Noam Chomsky's books in pristine condition on your coffee table doesn't really make you well read. So, I know a few liberals and some conservatives who read. Come to think of it though, I don't know a single conservative who confuses Michael Moores movies with reality.

I know lots and lots of conservatives that confuse Beck and Rush with reality.

See how easy that is?
 
I'm a big fan of NPR and PBS.

I could care less about the news coverage, my interests lie in the educational programming. I grew up on it, it was good stuff, and I want my kids to be able to enjoy it too. I wish Cookie Monster would go back to his lovable crack-addict self, but all good things come to an end.

My wife's a big fan of the classical music programming. We're both fans of Prairie Home Companion.

I don't know where they get their median-income numbers from, but they sure as hell didn't get them from my family. My dad's a retired cop, my mom's a retired library clerk, and mine is a single-income household.
 
PBS has one of the best, most balanced news shows period, and a bunch of PBS programming is simply excellent. For the low cost, I have no problem with the continued funding.

For those trying to make this into a cost savings issue, for gods sake, look at something that actually matters, not tiny budget items. This is typical of too many conservatives, who go on and on about the deficit and spending, but either go after things that are tiny in relation to the problem, or who design bills they know will fail, just so they can say "hey look, we proposed cuts and they got blocked". If you want to get credit for being a deficit hawk, then come up with plans to cut spending that will get passed, and will matter. In other words, compromise some.

My take is, if Dems are throwing a fit over things like PBS and NPR that can survive withoutgovernment funding, what are they going to be willing to cut at all?
 
My take is, if Dems are throwing a fit over things like PBS and NPR that can survive withoutgovernment funding, what are they going to be willing to cut at all?

Anything that Republicans like: Defense for one. Any corporate subsidies for another. The military is evil (only when they're not evil), the Defense Department in particular and corporations / ceo's and Wall Street are greedy evil fat cats who are destroying the middle class. But then, the subsidation of the lower class via welfare has to be increased due to social inequities and the need for social justice you see. So there really won't be "cuts" per se, just a rearranging of funds away from things Republicans want and for things Democrats want.

When in reality we can't afford either Republican or Democrats plan. The cuts have to be broad and deep and across all things. Defense, Welfare and Social programs, entitlements such as SS, Medicare and Medicaid. I favor a flat cut across every single area of 15% over the next 5 years, increasing to 20% in 10 years, while changing the tax rate to a flat 23% fixed rate for everyone - no exceptions. If you make a dime, 23% of that dime is collected. Then the states can cut their own areas to make sure they can get out of the red - and in about 20-25 years we'll be dug out of this mess, assuming of course no one screws it up.
 
Absolutely not, I would be in favor of increasing their funding. All industrial democracies have public funding. Commercial stations are biased by their advertisers, NPR and PBS are not dependent on advertisers.

And You are Welcome

By being government funded, they have reason to come out on the side of the government while reporting the news. See, that works both ways.
 
By being government funded, they have reason to come out on the side of the government while reporting the news. See, that works both ways.

Right, because that's so true of the BBC -- one of the world's most respected news sources. :lol:
 
PBS has one of the best, most balanced news shows period, and a bunch of PBS programming is simply excellent. For the low cost, I have no problem with the continued funding.

For those trying to make this into a cost savings issue, for gods sake, look at something that actually matters, not tiny budget items. This is typical of too many conservatives, who go on and on about the deficit and spending, but either go after things that are tiny in relation to the problem, or who design bills they know will fail, just so they can say "hey look, we proposed cuts and they got blocked". If you want to get credit for being a deficit hawk, then come up with plans to cut spending that will get passed, and will matter. In other words, compromise some.
Sorry, but this is typical of many liberals who claim to support fiscal responsibility but then accuse anyone who proposes any actual cuts of being mean-spirited or partisan. I agree by comparison, the funding is pretty small, but, when looking at other potential cuts, it seems like paying for radio and tv stations should be among the first to go. Besides, it seems that the most common argument against cutting the funding here is, "But I like it."
 
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That's the most common root of any argument against cutting any spending not related directly to life and limb.
Not exactly a compelling argument though. My point is, if anyone agrees spending is a problem, shouldn't those that don't directly relate to life and limb be the first on the chopping block?
 
My take is, if Dems are throwing a fit over things like PBS and NPR that can survive withoutgovernment funding, what are they going to be willing to cut at all?
It is of course, unknown if public media can survive without government funding.
What I advocate is increasing government funding of public radio?TV by tenfold.
Enough to stop public radio and TV from begging so damned much...
If they need money, and I'm sure they do, why not accept advertising in good taste or is this impossible ??
As for cutting, the tea baggers have "cuttingitis".
The taxes should be reset a previous levels.
In fact, they should be increased to cover war cost.
Also, the pay for all of the "upper echelon" of public so-called servants is is too high and must be reduced. We could begin with the law-makers.
I'm not sure that anything can be cut....
 
It think it's unfair that people who don't watch PBS or listen to NPR get to vote.
 
A truly brilliant argument. :roll:

I was trying to be polite and not get more infractions for saying what I really think.

People who are not too bright get headaches when they listen/watch programs that make them think.

Therefore, their vote on the relevance/importance of that programming is meaningless. They might as well be voting on the curriculum for a masters program.

Does that make more sense?
 
I was trying to be polite and not get more infractions for saying what I really think.

People who are not too bright get headaches when they listen/watch programs that make them think.

Therefore, their vote on the relevance/importance of that programming is meaningless. They might as well be voting on the curriculum for a masters program.

Does that make more sense?

Well now, is there anything presented on NPR or PBS that challenges your disdain for conservatism? If not, perhaps it's not making you think as much you believe. Does that make sense?
 
My take is, if Dems are throwing a fit over things like PBS and NPR that can survive withoutgovernment funding, what are they going to be willing to cut at all?

Anything that Republicans like: Defense for one. Any corporate subsidies for another. The military is evil (only when they're not evil), the Defense Department in particular and corporations / ceo's and Wall Street are greedy evil fat cats who are destroying the middle class. But then, the subsidation of the lower class via welfare has to be increased due to social inequities and the need for social justice you see. So there really won't be "cuts" per se, just a rearranging of funds away from things Republicans want and for things Democrats want.

When in reality we can't afford either Republican or Democrats plan. The cuts have to be broad and deep and across all things. Defense, Welfare and Social programs, entitlements such as SS, Medicare and Medicaid. I favor a flat cut across every single area of 15% over the next 5 years, increasing to 20% in 10 years, while changing the tax rate to a flat 23% fixed rate for everyone - no exceptions. If you make a dime, 23% of that dime is collected. Then the states can cut their own areas to make sure they can get out of the red - and in about 20-25 years we'll be dug out of this mess, assuming of course no one screws it up.

Sorry, but this is typical of many liberals who claim to support fiscal responsibility but then accuse anyone who proposes any actual cuts of being mean-spirited or partisan. I agree by comparison, the funding is pretty small, but, when looking at other potential cuts, it seems like paying for radio and tv stations should be among the first to go. Besides, it seems that the most common argument against cutting the funding here is, "But I like it."

See, now in Barb's comments she throws out a reasonable question. She may or may not be right about the effects of defunding PBS/NPR, but the question of what I am willing to cut is a fair one. Then of course we have those on the other side of the isle, instead of waiting for an answer, have to build their elaborate straw men that have no basis in reality, and of course they think they somehow made a point, when the reality is all they did was look dishonest.

Barb, an honest answer for an honest question: "... what are they going to be willing to cut at all?"

Anything and everything. Note that there is a difference between cut and defund entirely. Want to cut PBS/NPR/CPB by 10 % along with a program of cuts, I would be smack dab alongside that. Want to trim defense spending by pushing for more efficiency? Sure, base closure commissions from Bush the elder and Clinton's time period are saving us a ton of money now and did not reduce military readiness. Trim everything, as much as you can. The problem is that republicans and democrats are trying to cut based on their partisan beliefs, and with no willingness to compromise much, which means no cuts will happen, and both sides can blame the other(and both sides know that their path leads to no cuts).

See, the reality is not at all like Ockham and X Factor are great examples of why there will probably be very few actual cuts this year. Instead of wanting to come up with a plan, to them it's just scoring points. They would rather score political points than actually get something accomplished. They are a part of the problem, not the solution.

Bringing this back to public broadcasting, I don't think any one is saying they should be immune to cuts. They are fair game for cuts just the same as any one else. However, what is going on has nothing to do with the deficit. NPR/PBS is not a significant factor in that. Claiming that the efforts to defund them are an effort to reduce the debt is laughable. Creating a package of a number of programs, some popular with the left, some with the right, reducing funding by say 10 % to all of them is something that could save more money, and actually pass and get signed by the president. That is a real solution.
 
I won't just automatically assume you meant this so I want to clarify.

Do you think NPR is the liberal version of Rush Limbaugh?

No, I didn't mean that. However my aversion to NPR might be equivalent to your aversion to Rush. J/K

The diffence is I wouldn't be comfortable with government funding of any conservative talk.
The government shouldn't be in the business at all. Free press is to keep an eye on and report on our government. How can they do that if they are being funded by the government?
 
Not exactly a compelling argument though. My point is, if anyone agrees spending is a problem, shouldn't those that don't directly relate to life and limb be the first on the chopping block?

The fact is that the reason we have a huge deficit is related to military spending, social security, and medicare. And leaving those in tact, while cutting other things, isn't going to fix the deficit. We need to cut those things, or we are never going to solve the problem. Proposing cuts to things like PBS is nothing but politicians pretending to do something about the problem, while letting the real problem just grow larger, and larger. So basically politicians being politicians.
 
I disagree, like others have stated, there is a benefit to having news stations that don't have to please their bosses.

NPR would be better off without the funding. It would do away with them being attacked constantly for being too liberal.
I also wish FOX would do away with "Fair and Balanced" so I could just enjoy right leaning programing without all the bitching. It might also do away with them trying so hard to be fair and balanced I feel like I'm watching CNN.
 
NPR would be better off without the funding. It would do away with them being attacked constantly for being too liberal.
I also wish FOX would do away with "Fair and Balanced" so I could just enjoy right leaning programing without all the bitching. It might also do away with them trying so hard to be fair and balanced I feel like I'm watching CNN.

The only people who think public broadcasting is "too liberal" are those who think Beck is "fair and balanced".
 
Eventually, the Republicans are going to have trouble balancing the budget simply by going after their political enemies and programs they don't like. Most of the budget is tied up in Social Security, Medicare and Defense. Unless they have the political cojones to touch those, they'll never balance the budget.

True enough. The budget cannot be balanced by taxation. And, since the budget problem is not a revenue problem but a spending problem, the budget issue cannot be resolved unless massive cuts to popular yet unconstitutional programs are implemented.

Social Security is nothing but a transfer of wealth from the young and employed to the old and unemployed. In and of itself this Ponzi Scheme is blatantly unconstitutional, but the Congress made it doubly so by spending the FICA money on unrelated programs. Social Security should first be privatized then phased out completely.

That's going to be as popular as a black man crashing an ante-bellum Southern debutante's coming out party.

The Constitution simply does not permit the federal government to spend taxpayer dollars on education. Not only must the Department of Education be eradicated and all federal public education subsidies to the states, but federal student loans and grants must be equally dissolved.

That's going to make the aforementioned black man seem like an incredibly popular fellow.

The Constitution does not allow welfare programs as we know it. Direct transfers of wealth from one segment of the population to another are flatly not allowed under the Constitution. Eliminating that is going to be as popular as the black child running up to the aforementioned southern belle as she stands before her groom and yelling "momma!"

It's going to take an amazing reawakening to eliminate the unconstitutional welfare state the Democrats have forced upon us at great expense and it's not going to be possible except as a slow dismantling one phase and one program at a time.

Killing federal funding for NPR is a first essential step. If that step cannot be taken, the task cannot be done and the United States cannot survive.

That's how simple the issue is confronting the nation today.
 
The only people who think public broadcasting is "too liberal" are those who think Beck is "fair and balanced".

Not many people believe Beck to be "fair and balanced". Most of his viewers are perfectly aware of his biases. Since those are pro-American biases, they're the correct biases.

Public broadcasting is too liberal, and more importantly, federal funding for public broadcasting is unconstitutional.
 
Not many people believe Beck to be "fair and balanced". Most of his viewers are perfectly aware of his biases. Since those are pro-American biases, they're the correct biases.

I am an American. Always have been. Always will be and proud to be so.

It is an insult to thinking people to attempt to pretend that Beck and his biases are "pro American". They are pro insanity. They are pro right wing. They are pro nutjob. they are pro whacko. They are pro corporatist.

None of that is pro American except in the mind of the True Belivers who prostrate themselves before the same perverted and twisted altar Beck worships at.

They are about as anti-American as one can get and not be waging war against the USA.

Although come to think of it, he is doing that also.
 
The only people who think public broadcasting is "too liberal" are those who think Beck is "fair and balanced".

No one thinks that....
 
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