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    Re: De-fund NPR and PBS

    Quote Originally Posted by sazerac View Post
    It's EXACTLY a good representation of ALL liberals - dumb whiny children! The story wasn't about Juan Williams being fired. The story was about THE WAY he was fired - by that whiny childish liberal head of NPR.
    So remind me, where exactly in the head of NPR's comments was there a seething hatred of conservatives? Quotes please.
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    Re: De-fund NPR and PBS

    Quote Originally Posted by Krhazy View Post
    I was watching a West Wing episode from 1999 yesterday and it was pretty amazing because it was dealing with lots of budget cut issues. The Republicans' main focus in the episode was the funding of PBS and the NEA. Obviously Sorkin is somewhat biased on this point, but the response was pretty good. Paraphrase: "The NEA costs taxpayers 39c per year and is the size of Sweden's. And you all complain constantly about the amount of sex and violence in video games, and yet you want to cut Sesame Street?"
    Gee, somehow Mayor Snorkum's children don't have any violent video games, because those are paid for with the Mayor's money, and since both of my children hated Big Bird, which they could have watched if they'd wanted to, there wasn't any reason why Mayor Snorkum should be taxed to finance a turkey with hundreds of millions of dollars of realized marketing potential that is not transferred to the United States treasury.

    Big Bird is rich, he can fund his own nest.

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    Re: De-fund NPR and PBS

    Quote Originally Posted by tryreading View Post
    Well, we could argue about what the Constitution allows, as far as latitude beyond the numerated responsibilities. But at least you named specific programs, many large enough to make a difference in the budget. Of course, your representatives won't tackle them anytime soon.
    No.

    They have to win the small battles before fighting the big ones. Killing taxpayer funding to NPR is a small skirmish and yet the Hive is stirring and it's pre-programmed robots are out defending a minor contribution to the problem in the hopes that successful defense there will stave off later attacks on the core programs that are so beneficial to leftist politicians and so harmful to the nation.

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    Re: De-fund NPR and PBS

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    No.

    They have to win the small battles before fighting the big ones. Killing taxpayer funding to NPR is a small skirmish and yet the Hive is stirring and it's pre-programmed robots are out defending a minor contribution to the problem in the hopes that successful defense there will stave off later attacks on the core programs that are so beneficial to leftist politicians and so harmful to the nation.
    No.

    Because the small battles, like NPR, are meaningless financially.

    You know about picking battles, right? It's best to pick the important ones, and let some of the minor ones go. You can't win them all, so try to get the big ones.

    NPR and PBS are political issues, they are not even slightly important budget issues, and never will be.
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    Re: De-fund NPR and PBS

    Quote Originally Posted by tryreading View Post
    No.

    Because the small battles, like NPR, are meaningless financially.

    You know about picking battles, right? It's best to pick the important ones, and let some of the minor ones go. You can't win them all, so try to get the big ones.

    NPR and PBS are political issues, they are not even slightly important budget issues, and never will be.
    Except the important ones are where most of the gridlock occurs. Until one has enough pull, it is the smaller issues that are easier to deal with than the larger ones. Tackling the important issues is, well, important, but it is also usually filled with defeat...especially when the country has a difficulty in identifying what needs to be reduced and what needs to be saved from cuts. Then figuring out how much, or if you are to reform one issue, how to do so, can cause a party split, and there goes the political capital. Recall 2004-2005 for another instance. The other party can stand to gain, and in this case, the other party is much in favor of the past few years status-quo.

    If you are looking for massive change, I envy you. I strictly believe we haven't in us yet to agree in terms of massive budget reductions and reform of major programs. In short, the smaller issues may be most of what you are looking at what political capital can accomplish, and perhaps they can add up decently.
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    Re: De-fund NPR and PBS

    Quote Originally Posted by Mellie View Post
    Do you agree or disagree that we need to stop giving federal $$ to NPR and PBS? I'd like someone who disagree with the defunding, to give some good reasons why the taxpayers should be forced to give money to a radio and TV station.

    Thank you.
    They should not be funded by the government (our tax dollars). NPR sickens me. They are this far left crap-fest that I am helping to pay for. Sesame Street was great, but they should get on a private channel like everybody else.
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    Re: De-fund NPR and PBS

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    I know what got him fired. That has literally NOTHING to do with conservatives. Juan Williams is a liberal. Voicing concerns about men in Islamic garb on a plane is neither a "liberal" nor "conservative" position. And for the record many liberals (including those on this forum) are not in favor of intervention in Libya. You don't know most liberals, you don't know if the head of NPR supported Libyan intervention, and you definitely don't know if the video is a "good representation of all liberals." To make such an assumption is moronic.
    I think your point is that there are some liberals out there who are not in favor of political correctness in a great majority of areas in public life and that NPR represents those who do favor political correctness. Thus, liberals, like Juan, can be in agreement with conservatives and do not appreciate being lumped in with the rest of the bad apples.
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    Re: De-fund NPR and PBS

    Quote Originally Posted by tryreading View Post
    No.

    Because the small battles, like NPR, are meaningless financially.

    You know about picking battles, right? It's best to pick the important ones, and let some of the minor ones go. You can't win them all, so try to get the big ones.

    NPR and PBS are political issues, they are not even slightly important budget issues, and never will be.
    After stopping the bleeding, we have to clean the edges of the wound prior to dealing with the wound. Deal with the smaller things first and the larger ones are easier to see, and consequently, to handle effectively.
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    Re: De-fund NPR and PBS

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    I think your point is that there are some liberals out there who are not in favor of political correctness in a great majority of areas in public life and that NPR represents those who do favor political correctness. Thus, liberals, like Juan, can be in agreement with conservatives and do not appreciate being lumped in with the rest of the bad apples.
    Right, I'm personally not in favor of political correctness at all. I do think Juan Williams' firing was an indicator of PC gone a bit too far. I personally believe his comments were stupid but that he should not have been fired.

    However, my original comments were directed at sazerac, who made a comment saying that NPR President Vivian Schiller's comments represented a seething hatred of conservatives. I don't believe Juan Williams' firing had anything to do with hatred of conservatives, and nowhere in Schiller's quotes did I find comments of any such nature. I was asking sazerac to back up his accusations with some evidence, which he as thus far failed to do.
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    Re: De-fund NPR and PBS

    Right, the world view of political correctness taking precedent over standard conservative vs. liberal fare. I am with you there. I would say, however, that much of it also highlighted the left-wing approach of NPR in comparison with any sort of doctrinaire that the center or political right would have. Perhaps not some sort of "seething hatred", but vastly different world view.
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