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    Re: De-fund NPR and PBS

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Not in the least. Quality does not equal profit (the Japanese have been struggling with making products of excellent quality that were too expensive for profitability).

    If you take a look at some of the programming that lands the highest Nielsens, you'll see what I mean.
    This again would come back to efficiency and cost vs benefit. I would say that the reason many of those products of very high quality are not profitable is because the cost exceeds the benefit received from them. Yet to be flat honest with you I do not see any supremely high quality programming on the rocky mountain PBS. I just looked at the schedule, there are kids shows all day long, and then in the evening there are 3 different runnings of BBC world news, a PBS news hour, and it looks like 2 different documentaries. This is literally nothing different than the other 4 or 5 local news channels I can already get for free.

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    Re: De-fund NPR and PBS

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    For the same reason that we, as a nation, support a variety of things with our tax dollars that many of us, as individuals, do not directly or tangibly benefit from.


    Some things, like education and highway maintenance and law enforcement and adjudication of disputes, are too sensitive or complex to trust (or at least trust entirely) to the open market. When government fulfills its proper function, that means it does things some don't agree with -- often to the benefit of others.
    I don't dispute that I will not tangibly benefit from everything, I am saying usually there are good reasons to support things that you don't explicitly receive a benefit from. For example, I personally support subisidies to education, and roads, and law enforcement because I believe that the government subsidizing these areas leads to an increase in efficiency. Education has a positive externalities, education is worth more than its value on the market, thus it is more efficient for the government to subsidize this. Roads are a natural monopoly, it is inefficient to have competing roads to the same location. Law enforcement goes within the natural sphere of government, since it naturally must be derived from something with the authority to create and enforce laws. I do not see any of these types of reasons to support a public tv or radio station.

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    Re: De-fund NPR and PBS

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    One of the biggest reasons is that they don't have commercials and thus are not influenced by large corporations. Also, not every area in the U.S. has the propulation to support commercial radio - they have PBS to keep them informed. Ironically, these areas are more than likely conservative and without funding these small NPR stations would go dark.
    NPR helps support our democracy and I think the better question would be "Why shouldn't we support them?" All freedom loving countries have government sponsored radio.
    I really do not see the benefit of having no influence of large corporations. The areas that do not have enough people to support radio probably should not have a radio station. The costs exceed the benefits. I really don't care what demographic lives there. Furthermore, with the strides in technology we have achieved there are several other options. We have satellite TV, satellite radio, Internet, etc, etc, that these people can still receive live news from.

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    Re: De-fund NPR and PBS

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    How exactly is the creation of a public program by congress unconstitutional? Last I checked, laws that promote the common good are exactly within congress' enumerated powers.
    "They are not to do anything they please to provide for the general welfare.... [G]iving a distinct and independent power to do any act they please which may be good for the Union, would render all the preceding and subsequent enumerations of power completely useless. It would reduce the whole instrument to a single phrase, that of instituting a Congress with power to do whatever would be for the good of the United States; and as they sole judges of the good or evil, it would be also a power to do whatever evil they please."
    ---- Thomas Jefferson--Hater of Liberals

    Broadcasting that is unswayed by any personal profit motive is clearly a public good. Unfiltered information that is not controlled by the whims of wealthy owners is an essential service in a culture like ours where so much information is presented to prove a point, rather than simply to enlighten. Publicly controlled media, that is, controlled by all of us instead of some of us, is more reliable. Congress creating a public program to promote the general welfare is quite clearly their prerogative.
    "If Congress can employ money indefinitely to the general welfare,
    and are the sole and supreme judges of the general welfare,
    they may take the care of religion into their own hands;
    they may appoint teachers in every State, county and parish
    and pay them out of their public treasury;
    they may take into their own hands the education of children,
    establishing in like manner schools throughout the Union;
    they may assume the provision of the poor;
    they may undertake the regulation of all roads other than post-roads;
    in short, every thing, from the highest object of state legislation
    down to the most minute object of police,
    would be thrown under the power of Congress.... Were the power
    of Congress to be established in the latitude contended for,
    it would subvert the very foundations, and transmute the very nature
    of the limited Government established by the people of America."
    ----James Madison--Father of the Constitution--Hater of Liberals


    Clearly the Left's bastardized interpretation of General Welfare is 100% different than what the Founders and Forefathers intended.
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    Re: De-fund NPR and PBS

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    You know, I can't help but wonder why Federal funding for public broadcasting wasn't eliminated during Bush's time in office, when he had 6 years with a Republican-controlled House and Senate, and suddenly now the Republicans have a hard-on for getting rid of it.

    Could it be that this is nothing more than political posturing, something not sincerely felt, an empty threat designed to put the Democrats in the position of being forced to sacrifice something they value less?
    As far as the republicans recent move, yes it is very obviously political grandstanding.

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    Re: De-fund NPR and PBS

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    One of the biggest reasons is that they don't have commercials and thus are not influenced by large corporations.
    Large corporations .......like THE CORPORATION OF PUBLIC BROADCASTING?

    Begin making excuses.....now.

    Also, not every area in the U.S. has the propulation to support commercial radio - they have PBS to keep them informed. Ironically, these areas are more than likely conservative and without funding these small NPR stations would go dark.
    Im sure all 7 listeners would somehow survive........

    NPR helps support our democracy and I think the better question would be "Why shouldn't we support them?" All freedom loving countries have government sponsored radio.
    Yeah.....like China......Iran......North Korea...........
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    Re: De-fund NPR and PBS

    Quote Originally Posted by Badmutha View Post
    Large corporations .......like THE CORPORATION OF PUBLIC BROADCASTING?

    Begin making excuses.....now.



    Im sure all 7 listeners would somehow survive........



    Yeah.....like China......Iran......North Korea...........
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    I seriously doubt you have even heard/watched NPR/PBS
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    Re: De-fund NPR and PBS

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    I seriously doubt you have even heard/watched NPR/PBS
    I seriously believe you have PBS on the tele with NPR on in the background........
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    Re: De-fund NPR and PBS

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    How exactly is the creation of a public program by congress unconstitutional?
    How about nationalizing all media. Would that be unconstitutional?


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    Re: De-fund NPR and PBS

    Quote Originally Posted by drz-400 View Post
    This again would come back to efficiency and cost vs benefit. I would say that the reason many of those products of very high quality are not profitable is because the cost exceeds the benefit received from them.
    No, the profitability issues stemmed from the fact that they cost more than the market would bear. That is not the same thing as a cost which exceeds the benefit, and precisely why some services must be either be provided by or assisted by the government -- because we can't afford to leave them to the untender mercies of the marketplace.

    Quote Originally Posted by drz-400 View Post
    Yet to be flat honest with you I do not see any supremely high quality programming on the rocky mountain PBS. I just looked at the schedule, there are kids shows all day long, and then in the evening there are 3 different runnings of BBC world news, a PBS news hour, and it looks like 2 different documentaries. This is literally nothing different than the other 4 or 5 local news channels I can already get for free.
    Wow, you get a schedule full of educational programming, BBC world news and 2 different documentaries on your local news channels?
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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