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    Re: De-fund NPR and PBS

    Quote Originally Posted by drz-400 View Post
    Ok, so then would you agree that if there content is par or above par they should be able to make a profit in the radio/TV industry without any subsidies from the government? What would prevent a quality radio station or TV outlet from continuing business?
    Not in the least. Quality does not equal profit (the Japanese have been struggling with making products of excellent quality that were too expensive for profitability).

    If you take a look at some of the programming that lands the highest Nielsens, you'll see what I mean.
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    Re: De-fund NPR and PBS

    Quote Originally Posted by drz-400 View Post
    I don't listen to NPR and don't watch PBS. Explain to me why I should continue to support funding this program, despite the fact that it is a minimal amount.
    For the same reason that we, as a nation, support a variety of things with our tax dollars that many of us, as individuals, do not directly or tangibly benefit from.

    Quote Originally Posted by drz-400 View Post
    Is there something hindering quality radio or TV stations from doing business? Is there some failure in the market that is making it less efficient? I honestly can't think of any.
    Some things, like education and highway maintenance and law enforcement and adjudication of disputes, are too sensitive or complex to trust (or at least trust entirely) to the open market. When government fulfills its proper function, that means it does things some don't agree with -- often to the benefit of others.
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    Re: De-fund NPR and PBS

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    It is a low priority, and I say that as an NPR listener (I also watch Bill O'Reilly sometimes before anybody starts calling me a Marxist). My issue is that this didn't warrant an "emergency session."

    So far Republicans have gone after Unions and NPR. Pretty easy targets. I can't wait to see what happens when it gets down to the heavy lifting, i.e., when it comes to either cutting Defense or raising taxes. My guess is that they'll lose their resolve pretty quickly at that point.
    Agreed. If I ask one of my employees to cut $100,000 ($61B) out his department budget and one of his first suggests in a $12 item ($7.5M in the same ratio), I question the competence of that employee. This is just a testament to a) either how clueless the republicans really are or b) how they really have no interest in cutting costs, just in executing their warped agenda. Either way, its a pretty pathetic display. If I were a conservative, I would embarrassed.

    Put it another way, if the Repubs are really interested in $61B in cuts and have three months or 100 days do so, they need to find $600M per day in cuts.
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    Re: De-fund NPR and PBS

    Quote Originally Posted by drz-400 View Post
    I don't listen to NPR and don't watch PBS. Explain to me why I should continue to support funding this program, despite the fact that it is a minimal amount. Is there something hindering quality radio or TV stations from doing business? Is there some failure in the market that is making it less efficient? I honestly can't think of any. I think that you are just trying to downplay any argument against funding these two stations instead of actually taking on one of the argument against them. Also, I know you did not say it, but later on the first page someone said "This will not solve the deficit" which is obviously true, but it is a red herring. The issue is funding a public radio/TV station, not eliminating the deficit.
    One of the biggest reasons is that they don't have commercials and thus are not influenced by large corporations. Also, not every area in the U.S. has the propulation to support commercial radio - they have PBS to keep them informed. Ironically, these areas are more than likely conservative and without funding these small NPR stations would go dark.
    NPR helps support our democracy and I think the better question would be "Why shouldn't we support them?" All freedom loving countries have government sponsored radio.

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    Re: De-fund NPR and PBS

    You know, I can't help but wonder why Federal funding for public broadcasting wasn't eliminated during Bush's time in office, when he had 6 years with a Republican-controlled House and Senate, and suddenly now the Republicans have a hard-on for getting rid of it.

    Could it be that this is nothing more than political posturing, something not sincerely felt, an empty threat designed to put the Democrats in the position of being forced to sacrifice something they value less?
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    Re: De-fund NPR and PBS

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    You know, I can't help but wonder why Federal funding for public broadcasting wasn't eliminated during Bush's time in office, when he had 6 years with a Republican-controlled House and Senate, and suddenly now the Republicans have a hard-on for getting rid of it.
    They are a appeasing their anti-intellectual base -- the Palin/Beck fans.

    "Let's get rid of all them thinking shows. We just like the wrastling"

    Could it be that this is nothing more than political posturing, something not sincerely felt, an empty threat designed to put the Democrats in the position of being forced to sacrifice something they value less?
    Exactly.

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    Re: De-fund NPR and PBS

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    They are a appeasing their anti-intellectual base -- the Palin/Beck fans.

    "Let's get rid of all them thinking shows. We just like the wrastling"
    I don't believe that, and to be honest I don't like that tone. Aside from the way it pollutes the discussion, it gives the parties involved far too little credit. The easiest way to loose when you're ahead is to underestimate your opponent, and the left isn't exactly in the lead of American politics right now.

    As for answering my own question, I think it's more like this is something they knew they could use to get their base riled up. They lack clear leadership and have for some time now, so they have to keep their supporters worked up until leadership can be found and given credibility.
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    Re: De-fund NPR and PBS

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Compared to what my local affiliate does with the other hours of the day on its four digital channels, and especially compared to the volume of genuinely educational programming -- no, it's not significant.



    If Fox broadcasted a similar volume of educational material, I'd seriously consider it -- I'm not into public broadcasting for the politics.
    A lot of people do consider it significant. If I played porno on a kid's channel, even if that was for one hour a day, that would be significant.
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    Re: De-fund NPR and PBS

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    A lot of people do consider it significant. If I played porno on a kid's channel, even if that was for one hour a day, that would be significant.
    So now you're comparing pornography -- which legally can't be played on the public airwaves -- to news programming.

    Congratulations on raising the bar on this discussion.
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    Re: De-fund NPR and PBS

    How exactly is the creation of a public program by congress unconstitutional? Last I checked, laws that promote the common good are exactly within congress' enumerated powers. Broadcasting that is unswayed by any personal profit motive is clearly a public good. Unfiltered information that is not controlled by the whims of wealthy owners is an essential service in a culture like ours where so much information is presented to prove a point, rather than simply to enlighten. Publicly controlled media, that is, controlled by all of us instead of some of us, is more reliable. Congress creating a public program to promote the general welfare is quite clearly their prerogative.
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