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    Re: De-fund NPR and PBS

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    See, now in Barb's comments she throws out a reasonable question. She may or may not be right about the effects of defunding PBS/NPR, but the question of what I am willing to cut is a fair one. Then of course we have those on the other side of the isle, instead of waiting for an answer, have to build their elaborate straw men that have no basis in reality, and of course they think they somehow made a point, when the reality is all they did was look dishonest.

    Barb, an honest answer for an honest question: "... what are they going to be willing to cut at all?"

    Anything and everything. Note that there is a difference between cut and defund entirely. Want to cut PBS/NPR/CPB by 10 % along with a program of cuts, I would be smack dab alongside that. Want to trim defense spending by pushing for more efficiency? Sure, base closure commissions from Bush the elder and Clinton's time period are saving us a ton of money now and did not reduce military readiness. Trim everything, as much as you can. The problem is that republicans and democrats are trying to cut based on their partisan beliefs, and with no willingness to compromise much, which means no cuts will happen, and both sides can blame the other(and both sides know that their path leads to no cuts).

    See, the reality is not at all like Ockham and X Factor are great examples of why there will probably be very few actual cuts this year. Instead of wanting to come up with a plan, to them it's just scoring points. They would rather score political points than actually get something accomplished. They are a part of the problem, not the solution.

    Bringing this back to public broadcasting, I don't think any one is saying they should be immune to cuts. They are fair game for cuts just the same as any one else. However, what is going on has nothing to do with the deficit. NPR/PBS is not a significant factor in that. Claiming that the efforts to defund them are an effort to reduce the debt is laughable. Creating a package of a number of programs, some popular with the left, some with the right, reducing funding by say 10 % to all of them is something that could save more money, and actually pass and get signed by the president. That is a real solution.
    Reasonable points. But from my perspective they are missing the bigger picture of the standoff we are in regarding our ongoing federal spending habits/disaster.

    There are those defending spending on the smaller non-life impacting luxury items like PBS/NPR. Saying it is insignificant to the to the bigger impact of tackling the entitlements. (which certainly is mathematically accurate)

    But as soon as proposals for cuts to the Social Security and Medicare entitlements enter the equation, we can rest assured that there will be screams about federal funding to PBS/NPR and any other federal programs that are much lower priorities.

    Believe most agree that Federal spending is out of control and unsustainable. This isn't about love/hate of public broadcasting. It is about first establishing priorities and then working our way down through all spending.

    There are a lot of federal expenditures that are not a priority. Funding PBS is not high on the priority list.


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    Re: De-fund NPR and PBS

    Quote Originally Posted by Layla_Z View Post
    Right now Les Miserables is on PBS. How else would this glorious music be accessible to everyone. Listening to it on CD is just not the same. What a loss PBS and NPR would be.
    Quite possibly my favorite book and the very best of authors.
    I've read Les Miserables more than three times - the utmost in compliments.
    The quality of programming on PBS is at a level far above commercial ad-ridden TV.

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    Re: De-fund NPR and PBS

    Quote Originally Posted by Layla_Z View Post
    Right now Les Miserables is on PBS. How else would this glorious music be accessible to everyone. Listening to it on CD is just not the same. What a loss PBS and NPR would be.
    /facepalm

    Once again, defunding PBS doesn't mean they would be taken off the air. If you'd like to donate to that channel, go for it. Why should everyone be forced to pay for a TV station??


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    Re: De-fund NPR and PBS

    I got curious about the influence large donors would have on NPR. Here's a sample of what I found on what I found on George Soros.

    George Soros hid huge donations to NPR « George Soros « Back to Basics
    She also noted that Mr. Soros’s foundation first contributed to NPR in 2000 and that some of the money went to fund a documentary critical of the death penalty as it’s employed in Texas. It aired on October 12, 2000, a day after then-Texas Governor George W. Bush was questioned about the death penalty in a debate with Democratic candidate Al Gore. . .
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    This is just a fraction of positive reporting on NPR for George Soros.

    He is definately getting a big microphone for his generous donations through the years.

    Soros Uses Leverage To Aid New York Children : NPR
    Soros: Financial Crisis Stems from 'Super-Bubble' : NPR
    George Soros : NPR
    Soros: Damn The Cutbacks, Full Speed Ahead! : NPR
    Soros Donates $100 Million To Human Rights Watch : NPR
    Fox News 'Nazi' Rhetoric Starts At The Top : NPR
    Soros Would Make It Harder For People Like Him To Make Billions : The Two-Way : NPR
    'Soros Lectures' Shares Wisdom, Criticisms : NPR
    Soros: Economy Bumps Bottom But Faces Lengthy Slow Growth : The Two-Way : NPR
    Soros: Bigger Fund Needed For Poor Nations To Reduce Greenhouse Gases : The Two-Way : NPR
    Soros: It's Time To Rethink Economics : Planet Money : NPR
    George Soros, Maintaining Political Interest : NPR
    George Soros on 'The Age of Fallibility' : NPR
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    Re: De-fund NPR and PBS

    Quote Originally Posted by Layla_Z View Post
    NPR/PBS is not funded by the government they get some of their funding from the government. There is a huge difference. Part of the greatness of NPR comes from the fact that it is not biased by a corporate owner. Both are the best source of in depth, unbiased news. PBS provides so much educational programing for families and for schools. They both deserve all the support they can get.
    Is this show still on PBS?
    » Indoctrinating Children With Global Warming TV Shows, Movies and Books - Blogger News Network
    Politico.com found Mitchell Kriegman, the creator of the eco-friendly PBS program
    It isn’t just environut stuff, either. A whole raft of anti-capitalist and secular humanist ideas are pushed on kids with this show and other media, such as movies and kid’s books. In one episode of “It’s a Big World” for instance, the main character even tells the kids that they are not any more special than animals, saying to them, “Hey, did you know that you are an animal, too?”
    No, Snook, our children are not “animals,” they are people!
    Even more ridiculously, this Kriegman is so sure that his zealous positions are just a fact that he doesn’t even seem to realize that he is pushing his politics on our children.
    “There’s no controversy for kids,” said Kriegman. “It’s not a political issue.”
    Well, it SHOULDN’T be, I’ll grant him that. But he has made it so by pushing his secular humanism and unproven globaloney ideology on unsuspecting children and their parents.
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    Re: De-fund NPR and PBS

    Quote Originally Posted by Mellie View Post
    /facepalm

    Once again, defunding PBS doesn't mean they would be taken off the air. If you'd like to donate to that channel, go for it. Why should everyone be forced to pay for a TV station??
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    Calling tv shows about science 'indoctrination' is moronic.

    GW is real science.

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    Re: De-fund NPR and PBS

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
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    This is just a fraction of positive reporting on NPR for George Soros.
    As opposed to all the negative press Rupert Murdoch gets on Fox...

    Yes, NPR doesn't badmouth it's donors. Just sounds smart to me, especially if you'd like them to stay your donors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    National character.
    I'm sorry?.....


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    Re: De-fund NPR and PBS

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    See, now in Barb's comments she throws out a reasonable question. She may or may not be right about the effects of defunding PBS/NPR, but the question of what I am willing to cut is a fair one. Then of course we have those on the other side of the isle, instead of waiting for an answer, have to build their elaborate straw men that have no basis in reality, and of course they think they somehow made a point, when the reality is all they did was look dishonest.

    Barb, an honest answer for an honest question: "... what are they going to be willing to cut at all?"

    Anything and everything. Note that there is a difference between cut and defund entirely. Want to cut PBS/NPR/CPB by 10 % along with a program of cuts, I would be smack dab alongside that. Want to trim defense spending by pushing for more efficiency? Sure, base closure commissions from Bush the elder and Clinton's time period are saving us a ton of money now and did not reduce military readiness. Trim everything, as much as you can. The problem is that republicans and democrats are trying to cut based on their partisan beliefs, and with no willingness to compromise much, which means no cuts will happen, and both sides can blame the other(and both sides know that their path leads to no cuts).

    See, the reality is not at all like Ockham and X Factor are great examples of why there will probably be very few actual cuts this year. Instead of wanting to come up with a plan, to them it's just scoring points. They would rather score political points than actually get something accomplished. They are a part of the problem, not the solution.

    Bringing this back to public broadcasting, I don't think any one is saying they should be immune to cuts. They are fair game for cuts just the same as any one else. However, what is going on has nothing to do with the deficit. NPR/PBS is not a significant factor in that. Claiming that the efforts to defund them are an effort to reduce the debt is laughable. Creating a package of a number of programs, some popular with the left, some with the right, reducing funding by say 10 % to all of them is something that could save more money, and actually pass and get signed by the president. That is a real solution.
    I think the things that can be defunded with the least amount of pain, should be. I think thinks like PBS,NPR,NEA fit that category. Others need to be cut a certain percentage even if it will hurt some people. The WIC program and Headstart are two really good proprams that are supposedly getting cut some. This kind of stuff has to be done. I really don't see much sense in just cutting some from the ones that are not needed. Just get rid of them all together.
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    1/27/12

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