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    Re: De-fund NPR and PBS

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    NPR would be better off without the funding. It would do away with them being attacked constantly for being too liberal.
    I also wish FOX would do away with "Fair and Balanced" so I could just enjoy right leaning programing without all the bitching. It might also do away with them trying so hard to be fair and balanced I feel like I'm watching CNN.
    The only people who think public broadcasting is "too liberal" are those who think Beck is "fair and balanced".
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    Re: De-fund NPR and PBS

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Eventually, the Republicans are going to have trouble balancing the budget simply by going after their political enemies and programs they don't like. Most of the budget is tied up in Social Security, Medicare and Defense. Unless they have the political cojones to touch those, they'll never balance the budget.
    True enough. The budget cannot be balanced by taxation. And, since the budget problem is not a revenue problem but a spending problem, the budget issue cannot be resolved unless massive cuts to popular yet unconstitutional programs are implemented.

    Social Security is nothing but a transfer of wealth from the young and employed to the old and unemployed. In and of itself this Ponzi Scheme is blatantly unconstitutional, but the Congress made it doubly so by spending the FICA money on unrelated programs. Social Security should first be privatized then phased out completely.

    That's going to be as popular as a black man crashing an ante-bellum Southern debutante's coming out party.

    The Constitution simply does not permit the federal government to spend taxpayer dollars on education. Not only must the Department of Education be eradicated and all federal public education subsidies to the states, but federal student loans and grants must be equally dissolved.

    That's going to make the aforementioned black man seem like an incredibly popular fellow.

    The Constitution does not allow welfare programs as we know it. Direct transfers of wealth from one segment of the population to another are flatly not allowed under the Constitution. Eliminating that is going to be as popular as the black child running up to the aforementioned southern belle as she stands before her groom and yelling "momma!"

    It's going to take an amazing reawakening to eliminate the unconstitutional welfare state the Democrats have forced upon us at great expense and it's not going to be possible except as a slow dismantling one phase and one program at a time.

    Killing federal funding for NPR is a first essential step. If that step cannot be taken, the task cannot be done and the United States cannot survive.

    That's how simple the issue is confronting the nation today.

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    Re: De-fund NPR and PBS

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    The only people who think public broadcasting is "too liberal" are those who think Beck is "fair and balanced".
    Not many people believe Beck to be "fair and balanced". Most of his viewers are perfectly aware of his biases. Since those are pro-American biases, they're the correct biases.

    Public broadcasting is too liberal, and more importantly, federal funding for public broadcasting is unconstitutional.

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    Re: De-fund NPR and PBS

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    Not many people believe Beck to be "fair and balanced". Most of his viewers are perfectly aware of his biases. Since those are pro-American biases, they're the correct biases.
    I am an American. Always have been. Always will be and proud to be so.

    It is an insult to thinking people to attempt to pretend that Beck and his biases are "pro American". They are pro insanity. They are pro right wing. They are pro nutjob. they are pro whacko. They are pro corporatist.

    None of that is pro American except in the mind of the True Belivers who prostrate themselves before the same perverted and twisted altar Beck worships at.

    They are about as anti-American as one can get and not be waging war against the USA.

    Although come to think of it, he is doing that also.
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    Re: De-fund NPR and PBS

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    The only people who think public broadcasting is "too liberal" are those who think Beck is "fair and balanced".
    No one thinks that....


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    Re: De-fund NPR and PBS

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    We must remember it was soulless corporations that influenced the English government toward the many injustices that our founding revolutionaries fought to throw off. If they saw today that the "free marketplace of ideas" was overwhelmingly dominated by corporations, they would consider our 'democracy' a failed one.
    Yes, as history has revealed the Founding Fathers were all dedicated supporters of the proposition of "from each according to his abilities and from each according to his needs." That's why the originally ratified Constitution made each citizen a taxpayer owing the government first dibs on his wages.

    Oh.

    Wait a minute.

    The original Constitution and Bill of Rights does not allow taxation of income. In fact, it protects the right of the private citizen to own property, and no limits are set on the amount of wealth any man can own.

    The limits on the power of business or any other group to influence Congress were placed in the Constitution by flatly limiting the power the Congress has in the first place.

    Article I, Section 8 defines what Congress may do, and defines ONLY what Congress may do.

    The phrase "general welfare" in that Section do not serve as a stealth blank check to bypass those limitations, nor does the Interstate Commerce Clause grant the Congress the authority to trample rights guaranteed in other portions of the Constitution, such as the Freedom of Association promised on the First Amendment, the Right to Keep and Bear Arms in the Second, and the security of one's person promised in the Fourth.

    The Founders recognized that the Constitution would be effective for as long the people understood their Constitution and required their representatives obey it, and for no longer than that. The rise of the Progressives (aka socialists) in the Twentieth Century ushered in a concerted effort to subvert the Constitution and make the people either ignorant of it's meaning or desirous of it's obsolecence for reasons of personal greed. The Progressives succeeded to the point where it's doubtful the republic can be restored.

    Certainly the Republic will not be restored by making government even bigger.

    I am not sure what they would propose to do about it, but a public broadcasting network would be the least radical of solutions that could be proposed. I actually think they would pass a law for the immediate nullification of media corporation charters, and sell off their assets, their newspapers and broadcast stations, to private individuals. The law would prohibit ownership of media by corporations.

    Our founders were radicals, and would equally be considered that today, maybe even more so.
    Our nation's Founders declined to establish a national newspaper, ergo, they would not be eager to create a national broadcasting system. The question of any such national organ, then and now, is who gets editorial control. NPR has shown that friends of the Republic will not always be controlling the discussion, and there's no reason the taxpayers should be forced to fund their enemies.

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    Re: De-fund NPR and PBS

    Quote Originally Posted by Mellie View Post
    No one thinks that....
    Her point is, that people who think NPR has a liberal bias, is people that think no conservative bias=liberal bias.
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    Re: De-fund NPR and PBS

    Defunding NPR is idiotic as it would save only $60 million. $60 million is nothing, not even a drop in the bucket. This has nothing to do w/ saving $$$$, rather it has everything to do with getting rid of media that isn't Fox News-esque.
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    Re: De-fund NPR and PBS

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I am an American. Always have been. Always will be and proud to be so.
    Then you'll have to explain why you hate the princicples this nation was founded on and why you wish to see the nation transformed so radically that it can no longer defend the freedoms is was founded on preserving.

    No one seeking the destruction of the United States is an American. Sorry, that's just not consistent.

    t is an insult to thinking people to attempt to pretend that Beck and his biases are "pro American". They are pro insanity. They are pro right wing. They are pro nutjob. they are pro whacko. They are pro corporatist.
    Oh.

    I see. Someone who can present a logical and factual argument against those directly involved in the dissolution of the United States and working towards it's radical transformation are "whacko", "nutjob", and, for some reason "corporatist" (whatever that might mean, the Mayor doesn't waste time tracking all the left-wing fringe mind-control jargon). Then again, so many thins Beck has predicted have come true.

    Where's ACORN now? As Beck predicted, broken up and scattered. Still doing it's corrupt thing, but under the guise of many names now.

    Talk to us about Van Jones.

    Beck has you people...er those people wired and they resent the exposure.

    None of that is pro American except in the mind of the True Belivers who prostrate themselves before the same perverted and twisted altar Beck worships at.
    Which articles of the Constitution are you opposed to again?

    They are about as anti-American as one can get and not be waging war against the USA.
    Again, be specific. All Americans agree that people have the freedom to associate. That means, among other things, they have the freedom to not associate as well. Which means Americans are against closed shop unions and collective bargaining practices in which people are compelled to join unions to gain employment.

    Americans believe in the freedom of competition, and thus they oppose corporate subsidies of all stripes, including the subsidy of one particular left wing radio station called NPR. You use the word "corporatist", yet you support the taxpayer support of a corporation. What, exactly should any honest observer make of that inconsistency?
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    Re: De-fund NPR and PBS

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    Yes, as history has revealed the Founding Fathers were all dedicated supporters of the proposition of "from each according to his abilities and from each according to his needs." That's why the originally ratified Constitution made each citizen a taxpayer owing the government first dibs on his wages.

    Oh.

    Wait a minute.

    The original Constitution and Bill of Rights does not allow taxation of income. In fact, it protects the right of the private citizen to own property, and no limits are set on the amount of wealth any man can own.

    The limits on the power of business or any other group to influence Congress were placed in the Constitution by flatly limiting the power the Congress has in the first place.

    Article I, Section 8 defines what Congress may do, and defines ONLY what Congress may do.

    The phrase "general welfare" in that Section do not serve as a stealth blank check to bypass those limitations, nor does the Interstate Commerce Clause grant the Congress the authority to trample rights guaranteed in other portions of the Constitution, such as the Freedom of Association promised on the First Amendment, the Right to Keep and Bear Arms in the Second, and the security of one's person promised in the Fourth.

    The Founders recognized that the Constitution would be effective for as long the people understood their Constitution and required their representatives obey it, and for no longer than that. The rise of the Progressives (aka socialists) in the Twentieth Century ushered in a concerted effort to subvert the Constitution and make the people either ignorant of it's meaning or desirous of it's obsolecence for reasons of personal greed. The Progressives succeeded to the point where it's doubtful the republic can be restored.

    Certainly the Republic will not be restored by making government even bigger.



    Our nation's Founders declined to establish a national newspaper, ergo, they would not be eager to create a national broadcasting system. The question of any such national organ, then and now, is who gets editorial control. NPR has shown that friends of the Republic will not always be controlling the discussion, and there's no reason the taxpayers should be forced to fund their enemies.
    Socialism, as you call it, gained credence in this country as a direct response to the rise of corporatism. It is my contention that the founders were explicitly opposed to corporatism, while only vaguely opposed to socialism. This is to be expected, because the notions that make up socialism hadn't yet matured or gained any kind of influence, while corporatism already had. In fairness, I would never contend that our founders would choose 'socialism' over the kind of system they had during their lives.

    But that system that they had was relatively free of corporate power, and the attendant dizzying disparities in wealth. However, Jefferson is seen warning that it was already trying to gain a foothold, and that we ought to fight it for the sake of our liberty.

    I believe they would be appalled at what has become of our democracy, and our media, today. I also agree with you that they would not particularly cherish the notion of NPR and PBS. But they would certainly recognize it as a response to a diseased corporatist system. As an effort to treat the symptoms and not the sickness itself. Even so, I seriously doubt they would withhold the medicine that gives some relief, while ignoring the reason the symptoms arose.

    The founders imagined our remaining as free of the abuses of anything similar to England Inc. as they were. But that didn't happen. As such, unless we are willing to react exactly as they would react, and do all of the things they would do, and thereby fix the big picture, I think we'd better hold onto what you fantastically think of as an abuse of some sort: that being public broadcasting. All the while ignoring the true abuses to our liberty.

    When you are ready to address the big picture, then we'll talk, and I will gladly concede the dissolution of public broadcasting.
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