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    Re: De-fund NPR and PBS

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    Stalin starved all the dwarfs in the Ukraine???!!! That bastard....!!!!


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    Re: De-fund NPR and PBS

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    To say that NPR and PBS are less biased than those two networks misses the point. As long as people are reporting they will have biases, and this will show in their broadcasts. Public broadcasters show may try to show both sides; I think that they do a much better job than most reporters, but they are still not perfect. Funding opinionated news is inevitable as long as it goes to humans.
    I think that's really what happens. I once told a Conservative friend of mine that he and I could both write about the same event, but his take would sound slanted to the right, and mine would be more to the left. Even though both may be completely factually accurate. There will never be completely unbiased reporting as long as it is done by humans. On the other hand, I'm not sure I would want to watch news reported by robots.

    Some (though certainly not all) conservatives would define "liberal slant" as "critical of the Republican party" (even when they deserve it). Some people do not like any "news coverage" that doesn't conform to their point of view, and this goes for both sides.

    I understand the budget constraints, and maybe cutting the funding to NPR is the best thing to do from that point of view. Eventually, the Republicans are going to have trouble balancing the budget simply by going after their political enemies and programs they don't like. Most of the budget is tied up in Social Security, Medicare and Defense. Unless they have the political cojones to touch those, they'll never balance the budget.

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    Re: De-fund NPR and PBS

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    And in the Founding Father's day, how many private corporate media conglomerates existed that owned the majority of media outlets?

    The Founding Fathers weren't just against government tyranny. *They were against tyranny in general. *Whether it came from governments or from private corporate organizations.
    Indeed! *They were specifically against the tyranny of corporations:

    "I hope we shall crush… in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws of our country." Thomas Jefferson 1809

    "the selfish spirit of commerce (that) knows no country, and feels no passion or principle but that of gain.". Thomas Jefferson 1814

    We must remember it was soulless corporations that influenced the English government toward the many injustices that our founding revolutionaries fought to throw off. If they saw today that the "free marketplace of ideas" was overwhelmingly dominated by corporations, they would consider our 'democracy' a failed one.

    I am not sure what they would propose to do about it, but a public broadcasting network would be the least radical of solutions that could be proposed. I actually think they would pass a law for the immediate nullification of media corporation charters, and sell off their assets, their newspapers and broadcast stations, to private individuals. The law would prohibit ownership of media by corporations.

    Our founders were radicals, and would equally be considered that today, maybe even more so.
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    Re: De-fund NPR and PBS

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    I think that's really what happens. I once told a Conservative friend of mine that he and I could both write about the same event, but his take would sound slanted to the right, and mine would be more to the left. Even though both may be completely factually accurate. There will never be completely unbiased reporting as long as it is done by humans. On the other hand, I'm not sure I would want to watch news reported by robots.

    Some (though certainly not all) conservatives would define "liberal slant" as "critical of the Republican party" (even when they deserve it). Some people do not like any "news coverage" that doesn't conform to their point of view, and this goes for both sides.

    I understand the budget constraints, and maybe cutting the funding to NPR is the best thing to do from that point of view. Eventually, the Republicans are going to have trouble balancing the budget simply by going after their political enemies and programs they don't like. Most of the budget is tied up in Social Security, Medicare and Defense. Unless they have the political cojones to touch those, they'll never balance the budget.
    Problem is that balancing the budget is not limited to the shoulders of the Republicans. But I do agree that they (GOP) have been averse to adequately tackling the "big meat" items in the budget mess. Like most all our elected officials. First priority is getting re-elected.

    The Democrats are fully engaged in the current cat and mouse game of "you go first" with proposed cuts. And Durbin/Reid and crew have been merciless in attacking anything the Republicans put on the table. Both sides are playing politics. And in the meantime our economic woes go unaddressed.

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    Re: De-fund NPR and PBS

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    I am not sure what they would propose to do about it, but a public broadcasting network would be the least radical of solutions that could be proposed. I actually think they would pass a law for the immediate nullification of media corporation charters, and sell off their assets, their newspapers and broadcast stations, to private individuals. The law would prohibit ownership of media by corporations.

    Our founders were radicals, and would equally be considered that today, maybe even more so.
    ....leaving GOVERNMENT as the only viable owner of media?.....please......my revisionist friend.

    Our Founders were right wing radicals...... they were conservatives at least.....libertarians at best.......and if alive today, would be 100% against DNC GOVERNMENT RADIO/TV INC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Badmutha View Post
    ....leaving GOVERNMENT as the only viable owner of media?.....please......my revisionist friend.

    Our Founders were right wing radicals...... they were conservatives at least.....libertarians at best.......and if alive today, would be 100% against DNC GOVERNMENT RADIO/TV INC.
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    Oh my god. Read my post again. I said "sale of their assets to private individuals". How, in any way, would that leave the government as the sole owner of media? Reading comprehension, a test should be required before anyone is allowed to post here.
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    Re: De-fund NPR and PBS

    Almost 50-50..
    And I do not think that all of the conservatives are against this proposal.
    I wonder, why do the conservatives fear public radio/TV so much ??

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    Re: De-fund NPR and PBS

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    Oh my god. Read my post again. I said "sale of their assets to private individuals". How, in any way, would that leave the government as the sole owner of media? Reading comprehension, a test should be required before anyone is allowed to post here.
    Tea bagging conservatives are not noted for being "well-read".

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    Re: De-fund NPR and PBS

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    Tea bagging conservatives are not noted for being "well-read".
    More like, tea party critics are not noted for being "well read" or informed.

    Quote Originally Posted by NYT
    Tea Party supporters are wealthier and more well-educated than the general public, and are no more or less afraid of falling into a lower socioeconomic class, according to the latest New York Times/CBS News poll.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/15/us...cs/15poll.html


    You need to read more apparently.
    “I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on what’s being proposed here, he’d agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute.” - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: De-fund NPR and PBS

    Quote Originally Posted by Mellie View Post
    Do you agree or disagree that we need to stop giving federal $$ to NPR and PBS? I'd like someone who disagree with the defunding, to give some good reasons why the taxpayers should be forced to give money to a radio and TV station.

    Thank you.
    Federal funds don't apy for "a radio and TV station". They support the Corporation for Public Broadcasting which, in turn, supports 100s of rural-area stations that locally opt to convey either local productions or to carry NPR or PBS content.

    If you defund it, the only people you're really punishing are the people in the Great Plains and rural South whose stations aren't able to support themselves because their areas are too sparsely populated. The "big city" liberals will continue to keep their stations because of their financial support.

    But this nation continues to get dumber and dumber with each passing year, so why not eliminate what little intelligent television and radio content the remains (that doesn't require you to pay for it).

    Oh, wait: it does. Each taxpayer pays about $.08 per year.

    While we're at it: why are the right so infatuated with being taxed for things they don't like? I get taxed for A LOT of things I don't like. I've been getting taxed to pay for two wars I disagree with. I've been taxed for farm subsidies (which NO ONE is doing anything about, by the way - even Bachmann, Fincher, et. al. RECEIVE farm subsidies).

    And, by the way, I've had to pay a lot more than $.08 per year for that stupid ****.

    Here's my deal: I'll pay your $.08/year for the CPB, if you'll pay my share of taxes that go to support War and Farm Subsidies.

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