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    Re: De-fund NPR and PBS

    Quote Originally Posted by Mellie View Post
    The reasons given are silly. If we defund PBS, they'll survive. And even if they don't (slim chance), there are many other TV stations with educational programming and they don't take money from the government. Why not slice away the unnecessary spending?
    Theres no way in your mind to measure the value of something other than monetarily? Cutting it's spending is squat, a spec in the eye of the budget. Why are we wasting time talking about 7 million. It's a waste of my time to even discuss it myself. If you want a publicly funded commercial free liberal network with millions of viewers, defund it. Theres no way they'll swing right when detached from the government. It's very neutral at the moment and it's being sacrificed in a political ploy.
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    Re: De-fund NPR and PBS

    Quote Originally Posted by Badmutha View Post
    The TELEVISION is not your teacher........it is not your child's teacher......neither is the toaster......or the radio.....or any other appliance in your home.
    People can learn much about language via the television. That was the whole point of Sesame Street.

    People can learn much about science by having things demonstrated to them via television. That was the whole point of Mr. Wizard.

    People can learn much about other parts of the world by watching recordings of what happens in those places. That was the whole point of the National Geographic tv specials.

    Television is a tool and it can enlightened and educate others. Is it the only tool to do so? No. But it can help.
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    Re: De-fund NPR and PBS

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    Another issue is bias. Yes, public media funding makes up a tiny portion of the budget, and getting rid of it would not seriously affect the deficit. However, many people take issue with giving any of their money to a media organization that they do not want to support. Many people here have remarked on NPR and PBS's impartiality. While I agree that these outlets do an excellent job of showing both sides, saying that the stations are impartial sounds like the hard right-wingers insisting until their faces turn blue that Fox News is the most unbiased source. I know that each one of you, would not want to give your tax dollars to Fox News, even if it had a small impact on your wallet. Yes, I know you'll say that Fox News is way more biased. I won't disagree, but both have their biases. No matter how little that bias shows itself, it will create opponents who are ideologically opposed to the reporter's analyses.
    You know, here's my stance on that.

    You're right in that I wouldn't want tax dollars to go to Fox News. But I wouldn't want my tax dollars to go to Air America either.

    The reason for that is because all they do is political opinion. Which is not the same as political discussion nor the same as political news.

    Now if there was a conservative news show that provided discussion or news without the opinion part, I would probably check it out or support it's ability to get tax dollars. But this is because I don't believe in having few sources of information and news.

    The problem with Fox News and also MSNBC is that they give opinionated slants to all they do. These slants are obvious to the other side, which is why the other side never tunes in to the opposing channel.

    But why does Fox News and MSNBC give opinionated slants in the first place? Because the executives there know it's the best way to maintain an audience and so can command high ratings which they can then demand high revenues for advertisements.

    So, yeah, actually I wouldn't mind tax dollars going to shows that give conservative slants on news, discussions, and education - as long as it took out the opinions.
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    Re: De-fund NPR and PBS

    First off, I fully recognize that funding for the NPR and PBS is a drop in the bucket when talking about the deficit and federal budget. And most of the politicians focusing on this are doing so because public broadcasting is an easy target to grandstand and win support from their supporters on. It reminds me of foreign aid. Conservatives love to harp on foreign aid, when it's a tiny fraction of the budget. It's not surprising becasue unfortunately, grandstanding is what politicians do best.

    That said, I do support cutting funding. Yes it's a miniscule amount, but I'll take any cuts to expendable programs over the status quo. There are a lot of things I'd cut ahead of public broadcasting if I were in charge, but it is expendable and non-essential so I'll happily support any bill that moves to cut it.

    But mostly, I don't think cutting it or keeping it is worth the effort and attention it's recieved.
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    Re: De-fund NPR and PBS

    Quote Originally Posted by Psychoclown View Post
    First off, I fully recognize that funding for the NPR and PBS is a drop in the bucket when talking about the deficit and federal budget. And most of the politicians focusing on this are doing so because public broadcasting is an easy target to grandstand and win support from their supporters on. It reminds me of foreign aid. Conservatives love to harp on foreign aid, when it's a tiny fraction of the budget. It's not surprising becasue unfortunately, grandstanding is what politicians do best.
    20-25 billion a year is not a minuscule amount of money. That is 20-25 billion that could have been spent somewhere in the US or not taken from the tax payers in the first place.


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    Re: De-fund NPR and PBS

    Twenty or thirty billion sounds huge until you realize we're talking about a 3 TRILLION dollar budget. Foreign aid is 1% of the budget. One percent is miniscule. Now don't get me wrong, I'm all for cutting foreign aid to the bone, but it's not going to come anywhere close to solving our deficit problem. It's an easy target (like public broadcasting) that politicians can grandstand on so they don't have to address the real problem (which would mean cutting entitlements and military spending which make up the bulk of our budget).

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    Re: De-fund NPR and PBS

    Quote Originally Posted by Psychoclown View Post
    Twenty or thirty billion sounds huge until you realize we're talking about a 3 TRILLION dollar budget. Foreign aid is 1% of the budget. One percent is miniscule. Now don't get me wrong, I'm all for cutting foreign aid to the bone, but it's not going to come anywhere close to solving our deficit problem. It's an easy target (like public broadcasting) that politicians can grandstand on so they don't have to address the real problem (which would mean cutting entitlements and military spending which make up the bulk of our budget).

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    It is still 20-25 billion a year.Its still a **** load of money. Going oh its a minuscule amount is probably one of the things that got our country into debt.
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    Re: De-fund NPR and PBS

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    People can learn much about language via the television. That was the whole point of Sesame Street.

    People can learn much about science by having things demonstrated to them via television. That was the whole point of Mr. Wizard.

    People can learn much about other parts of the world by watching recordings of what happens in those places. That was the whole point of the National Geographic tv specials.

    Television is a tool and it can enlightened and educate others. Is it the only tool to do so? No. But it can help.
    Actually "the children" used to learn all that in school.......

    ......before a bunch of liberal union slobs took over. Anyways if you support PBS so much....start using your wallet.....mine needs a break.
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    Re: De-fund NPR and PBS

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    It's just politicians grandstanding, pretending to solve the deficit, when they are doing nothing about it, and are letting the real problem grow bigger.

    PBS deserves the funding IMO, it's a worthwhile venture.
    You won't even defund NPR to save money, but you'll probably defund defense all day long and nothing else.
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    Re: De-fund NPR and PBS

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    It is still 20-25 billion a year.Its still a **** load of money. Going oh its a minuscule amount is probably one of the things that got our country into debt.
    Do you read my entire posts? I'm all for cutting non-essential spending like foreign aid and public broadcasting, but I also recognize it won't solve the problem. It's hardly even a first step towards solving the problem. Politicians grandstand on these issues not because they are interested in providing real solutions to the problem, but because they know their political base will eat it up and they can use in next year's campaign ads.

    Can you not agree that the time we waste arguing over small potato items like NPR or foreign aid would be much better spent addressing the far more pressing issues like entitlements and defense spending? To give you an idea of just how impossible it is to solve our budget deficit without addressing entitlements and defense, let me link an article.

    A detailed look at the Rand Paul spending bill | David Freddoso | Beltway Confidential | Washington Examiner

    Rand Paul proposed 500 billion in cuts to non-discretionary spending. Deep meaningful cuts. Radical cuts. I support most of his proposals, but even if the his entire proposal was passed, it would only reduce the deficit by a third. This talk about cutting the NPR or foreign aid or whatever other tiny little program that some politician feels he can target because it will play well in the heartland is a smokescreen. A distraction from a far bigger problem.

    Cut the NPR! Cut foreign aid! But we still have to deal with the proverbial elephant in the room if you truly want a balanced budget.
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