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    Re: Did the environmentalists of the 20th and 21st centuries end "climate change"?

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    If we stop all manmade greenhouse gases going into the air, it will only reduce the amount of greenhouse gases that go into the air by 3%. 97% is out of our control.
    That 97% is part of the carbon cycle. The 3% we put out there was not in the cycle, and represents a net increase in carbon currently moving around the biosphere. Thats why burning fossil fuels is problematic.
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    Re: Did the environmentalists of the 20th and 21st centuries end "climate change"?

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    We have hundreds of trillions of cubic feet of methane to tap into, not to mention coal up the wazoo. "Running out" hardly describes our present situation.
    Running out of economically viable oil perfectly describes the present situation. Oil production peaked a few years back, we're on the decline now. Eventually the only oil left will be unfeasibly hard to remove oil.
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    Re: Did the environmentalists of the 20th and 21st centuries end "climate change"?

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    That 97% is part of the carbon cycle. The 3% we put out there was not in the cycle, and represents a net increase in carbon currently moving around the biosphere. Thats why burning fossil fuels is problematic.
    I would say it's problematic, but it's not causing climate change. It's more of a problem for our lungs than anything. We need to develop the tech to provide clean energy, and we need to start now. It's that simple, we are going to run out of fossil fuels soon, and we need to get the jump before we are in a crisis. Also getting a jump on other countries, and profiting off the tech would be a bonus, along with the environmental improvement.
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    Re: Did the environmentalists of the 20th and 21st centuries end "climate change"?

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    I would say it's problematic, but it's not causing climate change. It's more of a problem for our lungs than anything. We need to develop the tech to provide clean energy, and we need to start now. It's that simple, we are going to run out of fossil fuels soon, and we need to get the jump before we are in a crisis. Also getting a jump on other countries, and profiting off the tech would be a bonus, along with the environmental improvement.
    I agree with your entire statement except the underlined portion. Looking at the concept, there is really no way to deny it is causing climate change, the only question is how much. Because carbon is a moderately effective greenhouse gas, and the atmosphere is pretty large. However, over time, AGW will become more and more apparent, and at that point, we will have to spend a lot more money, and effort to fix the problem.
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    Re: Did the environmentalists of the 20th and 21st centuries end "climate change"?

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    I agree with your entire statement except the underlined portion. Looking at the concept, there is really no way to deny it is causing climate change, the only question is how much. Because carbon is a moderately effective greenhouse gas, and the atmosphere is pretty large. However, over time, AGW will become more and more apparent, and at that point, we will have to spend a lot more money, and effort to fix the problem.
    We might be undergoing the beginning stages of a climate shift, but we don't have enough evidence to know that we are causing it.
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    Re: Did the environmentalists of the 20th and 21st centuries end "climate change"?

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    We might be undergoing the beginning stages of a climate shift, but we don't have enough evidence to know that we are causing it.
    Not 100 % true. We have strong evidence that we are contributing to it. Not conclusive evidence to my mind, but strong enough to want to act on it.

    By the way, your 97 %/ 3 % comment is one of this misleading statements that sound really good until you look at them. Without the 3 %, you have a stable system. When you mess up the stability of a stable system, it will have very definite effects.
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    Re: Did the environmentalists of the 20th and 21st centuries end "climate change"?

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    200 years from now when Americans look back on the 20th and 21st century, will they say that the environmentalists today ended climate change? Let's assume the supposed problem with "climate change" will still be in play in 200 years......people then might say............

    Why didn't those environmentalists do everything they possibly could to end it? Why didn't they ban ALL electricity, ALL gasoline, ALL methane gas if they KNEW that those things are causing climate change? They obviously weren't REALLY concerned about the Earth or they would've completely eliminated any and all poisons on our Earth.

    The 20th and 21st century environmentalists were just a bunch of Earth-haters who were raping the planet for their own pleasures. Anyone who says they were lovers of our planet are delusional and clearly revising history.
    They'll say what a bunch of arrogant suckers, who thought they had the power to change the environment, when they couldn't even make it rain.
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    Re: Did the environmentalists of the 20th and 21st centuries end "climate change"?

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    They'll say what a bunch of arrogant suckers, who thought they had the power to change the environment, when they couldn't even make it rain.
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    Re: Did the environmentalists of the 20th and 21st centuries end "climate change"?

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    Not 100 % true. We have strong evidence that we are contributing to it. Not conclusive evidence to my mind, but strong enough to want to act on it.

    By the way, your 97 %/ 3 % comment is one of this misleading statements that sound really good until you look at them. Without the 3 %, you have a stable system. When you mess up the stability of a stable system, it will have very definite effects.
    The fact is we don't know for sure, more research needs to be done, and I'm not convinced. I'm more worried about fossil fuels running out, and having the ultimate energy crisis.

    The 97% is a stable system, but is that 3% really making it unbalanced?
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    Re: Did the environmentalists of the 20th and 21st centuries end "climate change"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    If we stop all manmade greenhouse gases going into the air, it will only reduce the amount of greenhouse gases that go into the air by 3%. 97% is out of our control.
    The earth can sequester the natural quantities of greenhouse gases, it was the man-made sources in addition to the natural sources that overcame the earth's ability to handle it.
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