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Are You in Favor of a Single Payer Health Care System?

Do You Support a Single Payer Health Care System?

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mertex said:
Some people I know who are on Medicare, have no complaints. Some who are on other insurances, not too happy.
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I have insurance and I have no complaints. I don't want to be on government insurance. That's the part y'all don't address, what if we just don't want to be in the government system? With single payer, can we still have a choice? No.
 
ksu_aviator said:
That's not even close to what I said. My complaint is that we have created artificially high demand by removing the cost factor in the decision making process.
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I think the cost factor is doing just fine on its own. What is needed to control cost is a one payer system like all the other first world nations have.
 
ksu_aviator said:
That's not even close to what I said. My complaint is that we have created artificially high demand by removing the cost factor in the decision making process.
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That's what they have to do, reframe what we say, and respond to that instead.

Catawba said:
I think the cost factor is doing just fine on its own. What is needed to control cost is a one payer system like all the other first world nations have.
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Could I opt out of the government system if I wanted to? If not, then no thanks.
 
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X Factor said:
Could I opt out of the government system if I wanted to? If not, then no thanks.
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It would depend on how it is set up, however in any case you would be able to buy additional coverage if you wish. So, the 250 million people that currently can afford health insurance would still have their health care. The only difference under a one payer system would be that the 50 million that can't afford it now will gain access to health care, and cost will go down for everyone.
 
Catawba said:
I think the cost factor is doing just fine on its own. What is needed to control cost is a one payer system like all the other first world nations have.
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Hahaha, ya right. What are your two possible outcomes there? The government collects taxes and pays the insurance based on rates before single payer. The demand for services increases as the perceived cost is removed from the consumer. The government then must limit services or increase taxes. One thing is certain, the cost will not go down.
 
ksu_aviator said:
Hahaha, ya right. What are your two possible outcomes there? The government collects taxes and pays the insurance based on rates before single payer. The demand for services increases as the perceived cost is removed from the consumer. The government then must limit services or increase taxes. One thing is certain, the cost will not go down.
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Then why are all the other first world nations cost for health care lower than our own?
 
ksu_aviator said:
Hahaha, ya right. What are your two possible outcomes there? The government collects taxes and pays the insurance based on rates before single payer. The demand for services increases as the perceived cost is removed from the consumer. The government then must limit services or increase taxes. One thing is certain, the cost will not go down.
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They are lower in every other nation, no exceptions. The USA pays more than anyone else for health care. So, what makes you think costs would go up?
 
Catawba said:
It would depend on how it is set up, however in any case you would be able to buy additional coverage if you wish.
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Where on earth do you get this from? Even if it's true, you're telling me I'll be forced into a system I don't want to be in and still have to buy extra insurance to get the level of care I'm used to now? Again, no thanks.

So, the 250 million people that currently can afford health insurance would still have their health care.
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This is not true, people where I work had to change their coverage or find something else because the cost went up in order to comply with with new law.

The only difference under a one payer system would be that the 50 million that can't afford it now will gain access to health care, and cost will go down for everyone.
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See, if this is all you want to accomplish, why redo the entire system and force everybody into that system?
 
X Factor said:
Where on earth do you get this from? Even if it's true, you're telling me I'll be forced into a system I don't want to be in and still have to buy extra insurance to get the level of care I'm used to now? Again, no thanks.
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That's not what I said, but nice spin.

This is not true, people where I work had to change their coverage or find something else because the cost went up in order to comply with with new law.
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Are you under the impression that the compromised health care plan passed is a single payer plan?

See, if this is all you want to accomplish, why redo the entire system and force everybody into that system?
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For the same reason public water systems in this country make people pay a minimum bill whether they use any water or not. Without that funding, the system would not pay for itself.
 
Catawba said:
For the same reason public water systems in this country make people pay a minimum bill whether they use any water or not. Without that funding, the system would not pay for itself.
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OMG! You're right! I'm paying for water whether I need it or not. I can't even choose my water supplier! I'm not allowed to go and dip my water out of the river, like great grandma. Why, that's socialism, I tell you, socialism! I'll bet I'm even helping to pay for illegal aliens to drink at the public trough, too. Oh, the unfairness of it all. It's just like those darned liberals to think that water, running right out of a tap no less, and cholera free, is a human right. To think that you and I are paying for it.
 
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Harry Guerrilla said:
And the President made most of his "cost savings" in the new health care bill, by cutting Medicare and establishing a cost effective advisory board, for Medicare.
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Are you opposed to cost effectiveness in government programs?
 
Catawba said:
Then why are all the other first world nations cost for health care lower than our own?
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Dittohead not! said:
They are lower in every other nation, no exceptions. The USA pays more than anyone else for health care. So, what makes you think costs would go up?
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Because other nations, limit services.
Cost will go up initially, until they limit services.

Economics 101, come on now, this is basic stuff.
 
Catawba said:
Are you opposed to cost effectiveness in government programs?
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If I were in control of a government program I would initiate cost effective ratings, BUT the downside to cost effectiveness is newer medications, technologies and techniques will not be implemented because all of those things, at first, are more expensive than what the government is willing to pay.

It greatly slows down the research and innovation in medical care.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
Because other nations, limit services.
Cost will go up initially, until they limit services.

Economics 101, come on now, this is basic stuff.
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They rate better than our health care system in almost every area, and they do it at a lower cost.
 
Catawba said:
Then why are all the other first world nations cost for health care lower than our own?
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Dittohead not! said:
They are lower in every other nation, no exceptions. The USA pays more than anyone else for health care. So, what makes you think costs would go up?
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Because these "universal health care" nations limit health care or waiting lists prevent visits. That's how they ration. Then, if they do allow private health care, it isn't counted towards the over all health care costs used to deride the US for not taking the right to life away from their citizens.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
It's easier to treat people of a similar genetic background.
Not to mention most of those countries eat a better diet than we do.
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The French and Italians eat a healthier diet? Really? Ever hear of the French paradox? Ever hear Italian food described as a "heart attack on a plate"?

But, what we need to do is listen to people who live in the countries that have universal care. I know that there are some on this board. Anyone from Canada, Australia, the UK, or anywhere else with UHC wanting to trade your system for ours? Anyone? Go ahead, respond to the post and tell us just how anxious you are to dump UHC for a US style of health care system.
 
Dittohead not! said:
The French and Italians eat a healthier diet? Really? Ever hear of the French paradox? Ever hear Italian food described as a "heart attack on a plate"?

But, what we need to do is listen to people who live in the countries that have universal care. I know that there are some on this board. Anyone from Canada, Australia, the UK, or anywhere else with UHC wanting to trade your system for ours? Anyone? Go ahead, respond to the post and tell us just how anxious you are to dump UHC for a US style of health care system.
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Americanized Italian food maybe, but not only do we eat crap, we eat a lot more of it.

Why should I care if someone else wants to keep their UHC system.
I don't want it, why isn't my opinion on if I want it or not more valid.

I would not trade my system for UHC, period.
It's not right to force me to do so, because most people here that want it, don't know jack crap about how it's run.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
Americanized Italian food maybe, but not only do we eat crap, we eat a lot more of it.

Why should I care if someone else wants to keep their UHC system.
I don't want it, why isn't my opinion on if I want it or not more valid.

I would not trade my system for UHC, period.
It's not right to force me to do so, because most people here that want it, don't know jack crap about how it's run.
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Let's wait and see what people who actually have experience with UHC have to say.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
It's easier to treat people of a similar genetic background.
Not to mention most of those countries eat a better diet than we do.
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What does that have to do with our having a poorer rated health care system?
 
ksu_aviator said:
Because these "universal health care" nations limit health care or waiting lists prevent visits. That's how they ration. Then, if they do allow private health care, it isn't counted towards the over all health care costs used to deride the US for not taking the right to life away from their citizens.
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They serve more of their people than our system does. That's one of the ways they rate better! :sun
 
Catawba said:
They serve more of their people than our system does. That's one of the ways they rate better! :sun
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Let me ask you this, if the government said you have the right to speak out politically, but only through one of our sponsored websites...would you have the right to free speech?
 
Catawba said:
What does that have to do with our having a poorer rated health care system?
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Because people tend to lump, solely medical related problems with personal life style problems and call it "poorer rated health care system."

Fat people don't get fat because they have ****ty medical care, they get fat because they eat to much food, but their problems from being to fat, are medical in nature.
 
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