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    Re: Are You in Favor of a Single Payer Health Care System?

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    you could, but germany, england and france have large immigrant populations. and even cuba is ahead of us.
    Germany and the United Kingdom have a 90+% white (non Hispanic) majority.
    It's forbidden in France to keep racial statistics, so I can't answer for them.

    Cuba is behind us in many things.

    The U.S. has a 79% white majority (Hispanic included, which make up 15% of our population, although not all are immigrant but a great many are) with a 12% Black population and nearly 5% Asian.

    https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat...elds/2075.html

    When comparing all 3 countries rate of immigration, we lead.
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    Re: Are You in Favor of a Single Payer Health Care System?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Well - statistically speaking. In the US those with access to adequate healthcare (via insurance) or who are affluent enough to afford the overall healthy lifestyle have a longer life-span than someone born into poverty - those born into poverty, even if they move out of 'poverty' are still negatively effected and their life spans cut short.
    I believe that has more to do with lifestyle than anything else.
    Children in the U.S. have nearly free (some forms of Medicaid charge a nominal fee for service, usually around a $1) access to medical care, from birth.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Also - what's interesting these days is that the poor are often more likely to be obese. Obesity, however, 200 years ago use to be more common among the affluent. You had to be rich to afford the foods that made you plump - the poor had a leaner diet, albeit not necessarily healthier if it lacked certain things. Now, however, processed foods and cheap unhealthy foods have tipped that scale dramatically. It costs more to eat a natural or healthy diet, and costs less to consume empty calories.
    I think people are getting to hung up on what "processed" food is.
    Any food item that has had something done to it, after picking or killing, is processed.
    Canned vegetables are processed but no less healthy than fresh.
    (Yes you can buy salt free canned veggies.)

    Typically these people are brought up as children eating junk (fried, salty, cholesterol filled) and they will eat it for the rest of their lives.
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    Re: Are You in Favor of a Single Payer Health Care System?

    Let's see...300 million people vs a little over 21 million...comparatively you have a micro economy.....look around at the larger nations..it ain't woikin....

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    Re: Are You in Favor of a Single Payer Health Care System?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amazed View Post
    Let's see...300 million people vs a little over 21 million...comparatively you have a micro economy.....look around at the larger nations..it ain't woikin....
    Regardless, you made an absolute statement, you said it never works, which is obviously false.
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    Re: Are You in Favor of a Single Payer Health Care System?

    Okie Dokie......but pay no attention to the colossal failures to our North and East

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    Regardless, you made an absolute statement, you said it never works, which is obviously false.
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    Re: Are You in Favor of a Single Payer Health Care System?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Would you like to see single payer health care in the US?
    let's just say i think it would give us every advantage that food nationalization gave the Chinese.

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    Re: Are You in Favor of a Single Payer Health Care System?

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Now, the problem with both systems is the same: the U.S. Government. For some reason, most Americans don't trust their government, a concept I truly find...laughable...because our government is US. WE control it by electing people who WE believe are trustworthy to enact laws that wisely and efficiently manage all facets of OUR society. That's the problem I see with every American citizen who continues to argue against either a single-payer health care system or universal health care. If you truly don't believe government can be trusted to run either system effectively and efficiently, then WE have but one answer to resolve this problem: ELECT THE RIGHT PEOPLE TO CONGRESS WHO WILL DO RIGHT BY THE PEOPLE!
    The same government that is so despised by people right now was also elected them. And, it has managed to provide adequate medical care for military personnel for decades. My boyfriend has excellent medical coverage because of his affiliation as a Navy reservist. This coverage has allowed him to return to college to get his Ph.D. and start his own business without the worries that other people in these situations would face. And, Tricare has hardly bankrupted the system, in fact, it has been shown to be remarkably cost effective.

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    Re: Are You in Favor of a Single Payer Health Care System?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    let's just say i think it would give us every advantage that food nationalization gave the Chinese.
    You don't see any difference between the Chinese system of government and the U.S. system of government?



    Maybe retaking civics would help.

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    Re: Are You in Favor of a Single Payer Health Care System?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    The same government that is so despised by people right now was also elected them. And, it has managed to provide adequate medical care for military personnel for decades. My boyfriend has excellent medical coverage because of his affiliation as a Navy reservist. This coverage has allowed him to return to college to get his Ph.D. and start his own business without the worries that other people in these situations would face. And, Tricare has hardly bankrupted the system, in fact, it has been shown to be remarkably cost effective.
    Tricare is perhaps the best argument available for why a single-payer medical system wouldn't work. on top of having reimbursement rates close to medicaid (which means that your providers outside of military hospitals are limited), it's also a bureacratic nightmare.

    it took me the better part of 2 years to convince those people that the woman on my marriage certificate who was also listed as the mother of my child was - in fact - my wife. because her father is a retiree... so she's already in the system under another sponsor who doesn't have us as a primary... and everyone knows that you can't be the daughter of one person and the wife of another. it was another two years after that that they finally got around to picking up the charge and I got a 15,000 unpaid medical bill off my credit report.

    THEN they accused me of fraud. turns out when my son was born the Hospital sent the bill before we had filled out the Birth certificate / SS info; so in the place of first name they put "baby". as in "Baby Smith". but here I was claiming to have a child whose first name was not 'Baby'.

    as for affordability... yes, when you are able to dump a significant portion of your costs into a provider network (military doctors, medics, corpsmen, hospitals, aid stations, etc), then it helps "make you profitable".

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    Re: Are You in Favor of a Single Payer Health Care System?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    You don't see any difference between the Chinese system of government and the U.S. system of government?
    no, nor do i think it heavily impacts this discussion. the centralization of the provision of food under a "single payer" is economically a very similar method of resource allocation as the centralization of the provision of healthcare under a "single payer".

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