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    Re: Are You in Favor of a Single Payer Health Care System?

    If we are to remain a First world nation, we will eventually have to go to single payer system like most of the rest of the first world nations. A country is only as strong as its people. Not to mention it puts our corporations at a disadvantage since they have to help provide health care where most other competitive corporations in other countries do not.
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    Re: Are You in Favor of a Single Payer Health Care System?

    We view the health care reform bill as a platform on which we are now able to move forward.”


    No, sorry.


    Now, you are aware that the Bill itself is the mechanism by which they hope to achieve their aims?

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    The "platform" of which he speaks is his strategy going forward, not what the bill was intended as.
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    Re: Are You in Favor of a Single Payer Health Care System?

    Let me get this straight. Voting no means the lawyers get their cut out of every case, and you don't find a problem with this, or maybe you're voting no because you think it will hurt Obama in some way, or maybe you think medical prices will automatically stabilize with no regulations or control...

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    Re: Are You in Favor of a Single Payer Health Care System?

    First off, I think people need to understand the difference between single-payer health care and universal health care.

    Now, the problem with both systems is the same: the U.S. Government. For some reason, most Americans don't trust their government, a concept I truly find...laughable...because our government is US. WE control it by electing people who WE believe are trustworthy to enact laws that wisely and efficiently manage all facets of OUR society. That's the problem I see with every American citizen who continues to argue against either a single-payer health care system or universal health care. If you truly don't believe government can be trusted to run either system effectively and efficiently, then WE have but one answer to resolve this problem: ELECT THE RIGHT PEOPLE TO CONGRESS WHO WILL DO RIGHT BY THE PEOPLE!

    It really is that simple. It's why I've been saying for over a year now that the ONLY way America will ever support a single-payer or universal health care system is when WE decide it's in OUR best interest to do so. WE would all pay into it via something akin to Social Security...a health care tax, for example. We treat retirement in much the same way. That is what Social Security is, a retirement fund. (BTW, as stupid as this may sound to some, the whole reason people mistrust the government is because it started dipping into Social Security years ago and paying out benefits to those who never paid into the system. In contrast, this issue of private companies being pension piggy banks for their employees due to unions and public employees receiving costly health care and pension benefits would all go away if we'd ALL agree to pay alittle more into Social Security and insist that our Congressmen and Senators LEAVE SOCIAL SECURITY ALONE!!!! But I digress...)

    Neither system - single-payer nor UHC - need be formed in either a Canadian or Eureopean fashion. This, too, scares many people. Neither system has to run that way. For example, the government doesn't build all its own warships, airframes, tanks or weapons. It contracts that work out to private companies like Boeing, Lockhead/Martin or Jeep (who I believe built the Humvee.)

    Problem: The government contract system has been blown so out of wake, it also has earned a high level of distrust...$500 for a hammer anyone?

    Still, a public-private partnership with either a single-payer or universal health care system that IS uniquely American can be implemented. WE just have to be brave enough to support it. Because frankly, it IS far cheaper than what we currently have. And if we're truly serious about paying down our national debt, a system bywhich EVERY AMERICAN pays into the system that is run by a private company on behalf of the U.S. Government could bring such a system into reality. OR...

    You charge the Department of Health and Human Services to run it in partnership with the IRS...just streamline both (which is the path the Obama Administration is going towards using those government entities that are already in place).

    Either way, people need to stop being affraid of government. Afterall, YOU voted these people into office. If you really want to rein in spending and make government more efficient, perhaps it's time people really started holding their elected officials to task.

    (I know...that last part will probably make a few of you gasp. I am a Moderate-Democrat. I do understand the importance of being responsible for one's self. I also understand that our government doesn't always do things effeciently or on the cheap. But if we're truly honest about our current economic situation, we'd admit that it wasn't this President's fault and his predecessor made that clear prior to leaving office. Regardless, government does need to do a better job of spending on worthwhile programs, but it also has a responsibility to provide avenues that care for the welfare of its people, particularly those who can't take care of themselves. A UHC or single-payer system would do that cheaper than the private health care system we have now.)
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    Re: Are You in Favor of a Single Payer Health Care System?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Are you saying large corporations are waste free? Any large undertaking has waste, fraud and abuse. Pointing to that as a reason we cannot do it us patently false. I am willing to bet that most to all insurance companies have an equivalent percentage of waste.
    At least with private business, there's a limit to which they can be stupid, they only have a certain amount of capital to work with, if they make too many mistakes, they go under. With the government, that's not true, they can either raise taxes or simply print money and spend whatever they want. I don't want anyone who can pick my pocket and force me to give them money no matter what I do in charge of anything.
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    Re: Are You in Favor of a Single Payer Health Care System?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Recently, Rep. Conyers admitted that Obamacare was a platform to a single payer system (despite claims to the contrary during the debate).



    Conyers Proclaims Love for Obamacare Single Payer Action

    In a search on the net, there are definitely people who advocate and support it in the US.

    Would you like to see single payer health care in the US?
    I absolutely would like to see a single-payer health care system in the US.

    Opponents say that they don't trust the government with health care. But there are people who don't trust private corporations with health care either.

    Also, a single-payer health care system isn't designed to reduce medical costs. Rather, it's designed to reduce administrative costs. Which means there will be more money for medical care.

    And a single-payer system wouldn't get rid of private health insurance. Those companies would just move to other things, such as catastrophic health insurance. So there will still be medical innovation and so forth.

    So, yeah, I'm all for single-payer.
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    Re: Are You in Favor of a Single Payer Health Care System?

    Even with universal healthcare provision in the UK, people can still opt for medical insurance, which offers private care, usually elective surgery, based on the patient's convenience, rather than clinical need, and delivered in plush surroundings with better quality hotel services.
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    Re: Are You in Favor of a Single Payer Health Care System?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Recently, Rep. Conyers admitted that Obamacare was a platform to a single payer system (despite claims to the contrary during the debate).





    In a search on the net, there are definitely people who advocate and support it in the US.

    Would you like to see single payer health care in the US?
    There is more than one solution to the health care standards decline with sky rocketing cost inflation of healthcare in the past thirty years. Single payer is one very real solution with a not for profit single payer. This is not socialized medicine and under single payer for our country ... healthcare providers would remain private providers.

    Almost 25% of our healthcare dollar goes to payers ... under single payer not for profit it would most likely be less than 5%.

    I think big business would embrace it as many leave taking jobs with them ... to foreign soil as health insurance is so costly. Besides losing jobs, costing tax payor $ for the uninsured and being the leading cause of bankruptcy ... transitioning to a single payor is the most most financially conservative option. Not the the only option of course!

    People that want extreme care at any age ... transplants, long term life support etc could purchase additional private coverage when they want to extend their life beyond what any private payer will support at this given time ... (private payors have a cap on what they will pay).

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    Re: Are You in Favor of a Single Payer Health Care System?

    Single payer is one very real solution with a not for profit single payer.This is not socialized medicine and under single payer for our country healthcare providers would remain private.

    There are no private insurers if there can be no "profit".
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    Re: Are You in Favor of a Single Payer Health Care System?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    There is more than one solution to the health care standards decline with sky rocketing cost inflation of healthcare in the past thirty years. Single payer is one very real solution with a not for profit single payer. This is not socialized medicine and under single payer for our country ... healthcare providers would remain private providers.

    Almost 25% of our healthcare dollar goes to payers ... under single payer not for profit it would most likely be less than 5%.

    I think big business would embrace it as many leave taking jobs with them ... to foreign soil as health insurance is so costly. Besides losing jobs, costing tax payor $ for the uninsured and being the leading cause of bankruptcy ... transitioning to a single payor is the most most financially conservative option. Not the the only option of course!

    People that want extreme care at any age ... transplants, long term life support etc could purchase additional private coverage when they want to extend their life beyond what any private payer will support at this given time ... (private payors have a cap on what they will pay).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amazed View Post
    Single payer is one very real solution with a not for profit single payer.This is not socialized medicine and under single payer for our country healthcare providers would remain private.

    There are no private insurers if there can be no "profit".
    My very point is that the single payor would not be for profit ... a single payor system that is non profit was one solution. It was healthcare providers that would remain private in my op ... I think you might have misread.

    Ideal solution offered in this editorial and one embraced by the majority of health care providers and embraced by business ... except of course the for profit payors.

    Single-payer health care is the only way to rein in costs | OregonLive.com
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