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Thread: Are You in Favor of a Single Payer Health Care System?

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    Re: Are You in Favor of a Single Payer Health Care System?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Free clinics are funded through voluntary donations (charity).
    A la carte doctors offices are not, they offer pricing for service and are typically designed to appeal to the lower income segments of society.

    These places exist, they are fairly "renewed" because before the advent of 3rd party insurers, open pricing for medical services was common and affordable no less.
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    Re: Are You in Favor of a Single Payer Health Care System?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    A la carte doctors offices are not, they offer pricing for service and are typically designed to appeal to the lower income segments of society.

    These places exist, they are fairly "renewed" because before the advent of 3rd party insurers, open pricing for medical services was common and affordable no less.

    What would the a la carte pricing be for cancer surgery and treatment today?
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    Re: Are You in Favor of a Single Payer Health Care System?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    What would the a la carte pricing be for cancer surgery and treatment today?
    There's no way for me to know, the price model has be skewed by the constant and consistent intervention of both government and other 3rd party payers.

    But that doesn't mean there would be 0 insurance, there could be catastrophic insurance just for cancer, any other costly medical issue.

    Insurance has was created to mitigate high cost risks, getting a flu shot is not a high cost risk, getting a physical isn't either.
    With coverage mandates from states and now the federal government, we have completely obliterated the pricing structure, it causes over consumption and leaves the consumer uncaring of the true cost involved.
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    Re: Are You in Favor of a Single Payer Health Care System?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    There's no way for me to know, the price model has be skewed by the constant and consistent intervention of both government and other 3rd party payers.

    But that doesn't mean there would be 0 insurance, there could be catastrophic insurance just for cancer, any other costly medical issue.

    Insurance has was created to mitigate high cost risks, getting a flu shot is not a high cost risk, getting a physical isn't either.
    With coverage mandates from states and now the federal government, we have completely obliterated the pricing structure, it causes over consumption and leaves the consumer uncaring of the true cost involved.
    Where have you been??? The middle class has been unable to afford more than catastrophic insurance for years, and many can't afford that!!!!

    Our health care system has priced 1/6 of our people out of adequate health care.
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    Re: Are You in Favor of a Single Payer Health Care System?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    It doesn't have to go that far,

    Let's hope not

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    but the political will to do the right thing doesn't exist.
    Nor does the agreement over what the "right thing" is.

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    Elderly people are the largest voting block, any adjustments to Medicare will cause whomever is in charge at that time to lose their job.

    And don't you forget it, sonny. We seniors vote!

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    That is why I am firmly against programs like Medicare (or any UHC), reasonable change can't be made until we get to emergency mode.
    Except that seniors are mostly retired, so don't have employee health care any more, and nobody but no body is going to want to sell health insurance to seniors. Ending Medicare is tantamount to ending medical care for seniors.

    So, remember what you said: We vote. Suck it up.
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    Re: Are You in Favor of a Single Payer Health Care System?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Where have you been??? The middle class has been unable to afford more than catastrophic insurance for years, and many can't afford that!!!!
    That's not true though, you admit that the number only 1/6th which means 5/6 can afford including the vast majority of the middle class.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Our health care system has priced 1/6 of our people out of adequate health care.
    Lets think about this a moment
    What your proposing is that we change the medical care system for 100% of the people, when 16% need some form of coverage.

    That doesn't make any sense.
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    Re: Are You in Favor of a Single Payer Health Care System?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Nor does the agreement over what the "right thing" is.
    I think there is pretty broad agreement that Medicare needs to be cut.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    And don't you forget it, sonny. We seniors vote!
    But that doesn't make what you're voting for right.
    Does it matter to you, if you're screwing the up and coming generations?
    Haven't you already had your chance to govern, to fix things?


    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Except that seniors are mostly retired, so don't have employee health care any more, and nobody but no body is going to want to sell health insurance to seniors. Ending Medicare is tantamount to ending medical care for seniors.
    That's not true at all, the elderly had medical care prior to Medicare, Arthur Laffer did a study on it, showing that Medicare only increased the life expectancy of seniors by 3 months for every 1000 seniors(If I remember correctly, it's been a few months since I last read it).

    Remember, Medicare only started existing in 1965, there weren't wide swaths of elderly, dying in the streets, prior to that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    So, remember what you said: We vote. Suck it up.
    That's equivocal to "might makes right."
    Are you sure that's how you think things should run?
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    Re: Are You in Favor of a Single Payer Health Care System?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    That's not true though, you admit that the number only 1/6th which means 5/6 can afford including the vast majority of the middle class.
    It is true and 1/6 of the country is 50 million people. Perhaps that is inconsequential to you, it seems so. Health care cost is the leading cause of bankruptsy in this country among the middle class.



    Lets think about this a moment
    What your proposing is that we change the medical care system for 100% of the people, when 16% need some form of coverage.

    That doesn't make any sense.
    Yes, I see that you have no concept that abandoning 1/6 of our society, which keeps growing, is of no conern.
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    Re: Are You in Favor of a Single Payer Health Care System?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    It is true and 1/6 of the country is 50 million people. Perhaps that is inconsequential to you, it seems so. Health care cost is the leading cause of bankruptsy in this country among the middle class.
    That bankruptcy statistic was not entirely true, the main cause was people being out of work.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Yes, I see that you have no concept that abandoning 1/6 of our society, which keeps growing, is of no conern.
    That's not what I said.

    I said you wanted to change the whole system for 100% of the people, to address the needs of 16%.
    That's insane.
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    Re: Are You in Favor of a Single Payer Health Care System?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I think there is pretty broad agreement that Medicare needs to be cut.
    not by me.


    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    That's not true at all, the elderly had medical care prior to Medicare, Arthur Laffer did a study on it, showing that Medicare only increased the life expectancy of seniors by 3 months for every 1000 seniors(If I remember correctly, it's been a few months since I last read it).

    Remember, Medicare only started existing in 1965, there weren't wide swaths of elderly, dying in the streets, prior to that.
    Right, and there have been no changes to medical science in the past 45 years at all, and costs have remained the same. Sure, that's it, sure.





    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    That's equivocal to "might makes right."
    Are you sure that's how you think things should run?
    That's how politics work in this great country of ours.
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