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    Re: Are You in Favor of a Single Payer Health Care System?

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    Hahaha, ya right. What are your two possible outcomes there? The government collects taxes and pays the insurance based on rates before single payer. The demand for services increases as the perceived cost is removed from the consumer. The government then must limit services or increase taxes. One thing is certain, the cost will not go down.
    Then why are all the other first world nations cost for health care lower than our own?
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    Re: Are You in Favor of a Single Payer Health Care System?

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    Hahaha, ya right. What are your two possible outcomes there? The government collects taxes and pays the insurance based on rates before single payer. The demand for services increases as the perceived cost is removed from the consumer. The government then must limit services or increase taxes. One thing is certain, the cost will not go down.
    They are lower in every other nation, no exceptions. The USA pays more than anyone else for health care. So, what makes you think costs would go up?
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    Re: Are You in Favor of a Single Payer Health Care System?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    It would depend on how it is set up, however in any case you would be able to buy additional coverage if you wish.
    Where on earth do you get this from? Even if it's true, you're telling me I'll be forced into a system I don't want to be in and still have to buy extra insurance to get the level of care I'm used to now? Again, no thanks.

    So, the 250 million people that currently can afford health insurance would still have their health care.
    This is not true, people where I work had to change their coverage or find something else because the cost went up in order to comply with with new law.

    The only difference under a one payer system would be that the 50 million that can't afford it now will gain access to health care, and cost will go down for everyone.
    See, if this is all you want to accomplish, why redo the entire system and force everybody into that system?
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    Re: Are You in Favor of a Single Payer Health Care System?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Where on earth do you get this from? Even if it's true, you're telling me I'll be forced into a system I don't want to be in and still have to buy extra insurance to get the level of care I'm used to now? Again, no thanks.
    That's not what I said, but nice spin.

    This is not true, people where I work had to change their coverage or find something else because the cost went up in order to comply with with new law.
    Are you under the impression that the compromised health care plan passed is a single payer plan?

    See, if this is all you want to accomplish, why redo the entire system and force everybody into that system?
    For the same reason public water systems in this country make people pay a minimum bill whether they use any water or not. Without that funding, the system would not pay for itself.
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    Re: Are You in Favor of a Single Payer Health Care System?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post



    For the same reason public water systems in this country make people pay a minimum bill whether they use any water or not. Without that funding, the system would not pay for itself.
    OMG! You're right! I'm paying for water whether I need it or not. I can't even choose my water supplier! I'm not allowed to go and dip my water out of the river, like great grandma. Why, that's socialism, I tell you, socialism! I'll bet I'm even helping to pay for illegal aliens to drink at the public trough, too. Oh, the unfairness of it all. It's just like those darned liberals to think that water, running right out of a tap no less, and cholera free, is a human right. To think that you and I are paying for it.
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    Re: Are You in Favor of a Single Payer Health Care System?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    The elderly already have a single payer health care system.
    And the President made most of his "cost savings" in the new health care bill, by cutting Medicare and establishing a cost effective advisory board, for Medicare.
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    Re: Are You in Favor of a Single Payer Health Care System?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    And the President made most of his "cost savings" in the new health care bill, by cutting Medicare and establishing a cost effective advisory board, for Medicare.
    Are you opposed to cost effectiveness in government programs?
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    Re: Are You in Favor of a Single Payer Health Care System?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Then why are all the other first world nations cost for health care lower than our own?
    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    They are lower in every other nation, no exceptions. The USA pays more than anyone else for health care. So, what makes you think costs would go up?
    Because other nations, limit services.
    Cost will go up initially, until they limit services.

    Economics 101, come on now, this is basic stuff.
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    Re: Are You in Favor of a Single Payer Health Care System?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Are you opposed to cost effectiveness in government programs?
    If I were in control of a government program I would initiate cost effective ratings, BUT the downside to cost effectiveness is newer medications, technologies and techniques will not be implemented because all of those things, at first, are more expensive than what the government is willing to pay.

    It greatly slows down the research and innovation in medical care.
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    Re: Are You in Favor of a Single Payer Health Care System?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Because other nations, limit services.
    Cost will go up initially, until they limit services.

    Economics 101, come on now, this is basic stuff.

    They rate better than our health care system in almost every area, and they do it at a lower cost.
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