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    Re: Are You in Favor of a Single Payer Health Care System?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Is it or not?

    If life expectancy is an effective measurement, then India is a perfect example of why UHC is bad.

    If it isn't, then you should stop using the life expectancy statistic, as a measurement of effectiveness.

    if you could show that the economic and sanitary conditions in the 50's in the US were as bad as in India today, you might have a point. I'll wait for your proof of that.
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    Re: Are You in Favor of a Single Payer Health Care System?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    if you could show that the economic and sanitary conditions in the 50's in the US were as bad as in India today, you might have a point. I'll wait for your proof of that.
    What about other things, like genetic predispositions to certain diseases, weather related events that can cause higher mortality rates, exposure to UV rays, etc?

    There are so many different things that effect life expectancy besides medical care, that using it as a measurement is fallacious.
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    Re: Are You in Favor of a Single Payer Health Care System?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    What about other things, like genetic predispositions to certain diseases, weather related events that can cause higher mortality rates, exposure to UV rays, etc?
    Those things decrease life expectancy. Ours has been going up. Provide your documented evidence of factors other than increased medical care in this country from the the 60's to today that have caused the increase in life expectancy?
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    Re: Are You in Favor of a Single Payer Health Care System?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Is it or not?

    If life expectancy is an effective measurement, then India is a perfect example of why UHC is bad.

    If it isn't, then you should stop using the life expectancy statistic, as a measurement of effectiveness.
    I'm a little confused here.

    Didn't I see a graph showing life expectancy in India steadily increasing? How is that showing that UHC is bad?

    And, why are we comparing the US to India? It seems to me that six grand a person should buy better health care than they can afford in India. Of course, it should be a lot better than what they have in France, England, Canada, Australia, and Switzerland as well. Can you show that it is?
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    Re: Are You in Favor of a Single Payer Health Care System?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Those things decrease life expectancy. Ours has been going up. Provide your documented evidence of factors other than increased medical care in this country from the the 60's to today that have caused the increase in life expectancy?
    All of these factors are ever present, but you can look at the link that Dittohead provided.
    It shows the various outcomes for various issues, many not caused by a faulty medical care system.
    Regardless of whether it increases or decreases life expectancy does not matter, the point is that other things have significant effects on life expectancy.

    Hawaii for example, has one of the highest life expectancies in the U.S.
    They also have the highest population of Asian Americans, more so than anywhere else in the U.S.
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    Re: Are You in Favor of a Single Payer Health Care System?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    I'm a little confused here.

    Didn't I see a graph showing life expectancy in India steadily increasing? How is that showing that UHC is bad?
    So have the U.S.'s yet you have used that very same thing as a measurement of success.
    Either turn about it is fair play or life expectancy is a faulty measurement.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    And, why are we comparing the US to India? It seems to me that six grand a person should buy better health care than they can afford in India. Of course, it should be a lot better than what they have in France, England, Canada, Australia, and Switzerland as well. Can you show that it is?
    Can I show what?
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    Re: Are You in Favor of a Single Payer Health Care System?

    By single-payer do we mean everyone who pays federal taxes will pay or just a few of us. Somebody is sure as hell going to pay.

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    Re: Are You in Favor of a Single Payer Health Care System?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    So have the U.S.'s yet you have used that very same thing as a measurement of success.
    Either turn about it is fair play or life expectancy is a faulty measurement.



    Can I show what?
    That the US has superior health care compared to the nations of western Europe, or Australia, or Canada. Since we pay more, we should get more, correct?
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    Re: Are You in Favor of a Single Payer Health Care System?

    I voted Yes on the poll but I'd like to qualify my answer. I am for it, I'm just not for it being Federally administered. I have no problem with the states doing something like this, I just don't trust the Federal government....for several reasons.

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    Re: Are You in Favor of a Single Payer Health Care System?

    Interesting.
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