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    Re: Are You in Favor of a Single Payer Health Care System?

    I do believe that UHC can be efficient and achieved. Hypothetical arguments talking about wait times doesn't really apply if we can establish a superior cost effective system that can efficiently care for patients. There are many steps that we can take.
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    Re: Are You in Favor of a Single Payer Health Care System?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Obviously Conyer's believes that the health care law is a step toward single payer. Given that Obama has expressed his belief that single payer is the best way to go, why is it so hard to believe that this law was intended to be a platform, or a step toward single payer?
    Single payer means the government would be the insurer, not private insurance companies like what the Affordable Health Care Act does. Which is nothing more than legislation proposed for years by Republicans and implemented in Massachusetts by Mitt Romney.

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    Re: Are You in Favor of a Single Payer Health Care System?

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    I checked "no." I meant "yes". Oops.
    It's funny, I saw your no vote and was surprised by it. Now it makes sense.
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    Re: Are You in Favor of a Single Payer Health Care System?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    The same thing our approximate 10% do.
    We have more than 10% that don't have any health care coverage. Most of the rest of us have employee paid insurance.


    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Not at the same level as medicare does, but that is ending anyway.

    You can't give everyone unlimited access to medical care.
    Swapping to a full, single payer model will have results you didn't expect.
    With budget cuts already looming, your medical care will be the first to be slashed.
    No, of course you can't give everyone unlimited access. All the rhetoric about rationing seemed to ignore that fact.

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    So we don't have pregnancy Medicaid, nor Medicaid for children?
    How does that relate to your original statement? Medicaid is for the indigent.


    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    That's bunk, they cut costs by reducing services and price fixing, which has the secondary effect of reducing services.
    and yet, they have a lower infant mortality and higher life expectancy. Other factors show the US somewhere in the middle.

    But, those were just facts I linked to. I'd be willing to bet you didn't even look at them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    It certainly can be.
    What is our rates of drug usage for pregnant women, nutrition for children (or pregnant mothers) and the myriad of other factors that are in play with infant mortality?

    Only the most foolish believe that all health related statistics come from poor medical care.
    No, but a lot of them are driven by the quality of health care.

    If you think that we actually have a better outcome as a result of our higher spending on health care, can you support your opinion?
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    Re: Are You in Favor of a Single Payer Health Care System?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
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    so - regardless of the cost rising, that leaves 15% or so uncovered - and not benefiting at all from all the technology that we have at our disposal. China, Japan, Russia, Canada - these four countries provide, at least, a basic level of care *for everyone* - Yep, even China. So I think it's ridiculous that they outpace us in the number of people we cover.

    That is NOT saying that their systems are adequate, that the doctors who are employed by the government are paid enough or couldn't do a better job - but overall, it's important to them to provide something for everyone.

    So - there are some real reasons to have serious issue with our healthcare system. Unfortunately - most of hte people forming the strongest opinions aren't one of the 15%
    This is an interesting observation. I remember a poll during the debate that said that something like 85% of Americans were satisfied with their health care. If that was, indeed, true, than can we really say that our system was/is "broken"? I don't have any problem trying to address the 15%, but not at the expense of forcing me into a system I don't want to be in.
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    Re: Are You in Favor of a Single Payer Health Care System?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    We have more than 10% that don't have any health care coverage. Most of the rest of us have employee paid insurance.
    That's not entirely true, that often quoted number doesn't remove those who have access but chose not to participate.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    No, of course you can't give everyone unlimited access. All the rhetoric about rationing seemed to ignore that fact.
    You're drawing conclusions from simple statistical data, these people in countries with single payer/UHC systems, do not receive platinum care, they get average care, yet they have higher life expectancies.

    Average does not create the best results.
    There are other things at work here, racial demographics and overall cultural practices.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    How does that relate to your original statement? Medicaid is for the indigent.
    Medicaid is for the indigent, on paper.
    If I remember correctly, some states give Medicaid to all pregnant women, who apply.
    But never the less, we have practically complete coverage for pregnant woman and for children on a near universal scale.

    Why are our infant mortality rates higher?
    It can't be because of access to medical care.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    and yet, they have a lower infant mortality and higher life expectancy. Other factors show the US somewhere in the middle.

    But, those were just facts I linked to. I'd be willing to bet you didn't even look at them.
    I did, that's why I said many of those factors are unrelated to medical care.
    Obesity being one.

    Life expectancy is a bunk statistic to use, to rate a medical care system.
    It's loaded with more significant factors, besides medical care.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    No, but a lot of them are driven by the quality of health care.

    If you think that we actually have a better outcome as a result of our higher spending on health care, can you support your opinion?
    What makes you think they get better quality of care?
    One of our problems here is that we supposedly do to much to treat people, now our quality is lacking?
    Which is it?

    Sure, we spend more on cancer treatments than other countries who have UHC, our 5 year survival rates for some cancers are higher.
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    Re: Are You in Favor of a Single Payer Health Care System?

    Quote Originally Posted by LookingGlass View Post
    Government administered or managed healthcare is essential for moving ahead into the future. If you control people's health, you control their lives.
    I believe you're the first supporter of government run health care to openly acknowledge this.

    It is an indispensable tool in social engineering and population revisions. Even those against it will see the benefit when everything is in full swing. I don't think Mr. Obama's plan is ill-conceived and mostly unworkable but it is a tiny step in the right direction.
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    Re: Are You in Favor of a Single Payer Health Care System?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I'm sick of being dependent on insurance companies that can do whatever they want to and charge whatever they want to while we are the ones who lose in the long run.
    So you'd rather be dependent on the government?
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    Re: Are You in Favor of a Single Payer Health Care System?

    When my neighbor said he was voting for Senator Obama I laughed and ask him why. "I'm tired of paying for health insurance." I replied that was the best reason I'd heard for voting for Senator Obama. I saw my neighbor recently, he had moved, and asked how that "someone else paying" was working out. He said something very rude.

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    Re: Are You in Favor of a Single Payer Health Care System?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    So you'd rather be dependent on the government?
    Versus be dependent on an insurance company that only uses you for profit and has no desire to see you survive? Yes. We can't vote in insurance company CEOs.
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