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    Re: Are You in Favor of a Single Payer Health Care System?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    you're going to have to reduce service options and/or establish price controls.
    Why is it superior again?
    Establishing price controls would stop the out-of-control price spiral.

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    Re: Are You in Favor of a Single Payer Health Care System?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    There are no perfect comparisons, but that does not mean that it is faulty to compare results with other countries, since health care is a factor in that result. Not the only factor, but definitely a factor. The problem is with drawing too large a conclusion from the comparison.
    Well, I'd like to hope that my arguments against the life expectancy comparison have proven it to be invalid.
    Life expectancy is a simple statistic with a great many factors at play, besides medical care.

    Cost is a fair comparison but there are other reasons why it does cost a lot, we expect the best disease curing results and we pay for them.
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    Re: Are You in Favor of a Single Payer Health Care System?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Establishing price controls would stop the out-of-control price spiral.
    Price controls come with their own set of perils, reduced access to service because you've effectively created a "commons" with medical care.
    It creates shortages.
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    Re: Are You in Favor of a Single Payer Health Care System?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Establishing price controls would stop the out-of-control price spiral.
    That worked so well under Nixon, Ford, and Carter, didn't it?

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    Re: Are You in Favor of a Single Payer Health Care System?

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    Single payer doesn't necessarily mean no private health care.
    Of course not. There's no way the Congressmen and Senators are going to subject themselves or their rich donors to the rigors of a true single payer system. No. The proposed system is intended to separate the middle class from their doctors, the rich the left disdains viscerally will continue on as they always have.

    Since Mayor Snorkum wants to keep his doctor, he is opposed to this socialized medicine nonsense.

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    Re: Are You in Favor of a Single Payer Health Care System?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Price controls come with their own set of perils, reduced access to service because you've effectively created a "commons" with medical care.
    It creates shortages.
    Really. There are price controls on phone and cable television. Are we having shortages?

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    Re: Are You in Favor of a Single Payer Health Care System?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Really. There are price controls on phone and cable television. Are we having shortages?
    Are you ****ing serious, comparing phone and cable to healthcare? I don't think so, I think you're just being difficult.
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    Re: Are You in Favor of a Single Payer Health Care System?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Actually our 2 biggest budget problems are Medicare and Medicaid, our experiment with national medical care.
    There is nothing you can do about Medicare or Medicaid. As a society these costs get absorbed somehow. You can not just make them go away. We are the only 1st world country that ignores its healthcare. Medicare and medicaid are mere stop gaps. They are not the budget problem, because you can not make them go away and there isn't much you can realistically do to trim them.

    The problem with our budget is much more on the revenue side than the expense side. This last recession allowed tax revenues to fall 20% from a base of $2.7T to $2.1T. Throw in another $ .1T from the extra burden of unemployment, and you can fix much of the annual deficit just by fixing the economy. At the very least, you will get much further in its remedy than you will ever get by cutting expenditures (which is counter productive, as expenditure cuts will also result in lost tax collections)

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    The first part is a lie, as for the rest, the U.S. has some of the best cancer survival rates in the world.
    (We're in the top 3, a cute little statistic that some people like to forget)
    That is were your money is going.

    Don't try to play emotional games with me, it won't work.
    Its a lie? You are 'above' emotion? Sorry, but that is nothing but a very emotional response.

    How is it a lie? Your best retort is that our cancer survivability rates are high? Maybe, but that is nothing but a data point, not a complete argument. The table I set forth graphs per capita medical costs vs. life expectancy. You will note the US flag way out in right field. Why? Because our medical costs per capita are the highest in the world. You will also note the US flag is in the middle of the list. Why? Because US longevity is pretty mediocre vis-a-vis other 1st world countries. Let's see, highest cost and mediocre results translates to inefficiency. Prehaps you can give me a less emotional rebuttal next time.
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    Re: Are You in Favor of a Single Payer Health Care System?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    That primarily comes from elder care, in the form of "gold plated" Medicare and the gaming of Medicaid.

    To have a nationalized system of medical care, you're going to have to reduce service options and/or establish price controls.
    Why is it superior again?
    Because every other nation on Earth has a universal care system, all of them pay much less per capita than we do, and the modern nations have better outcomes. That's why.
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    Re: Are You in Favor of a Single Payer Health Care System?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Really. There are price controls on phone and cable television. Are we having shortages?
    Phone and cable service can be delivered without the need of constant supervision.
    Medical care is not the same.
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