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    Re: Are You in Favor of a Single Payer Health Care System?

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    The budget isn't balanced because we keep coming up with spending ideas, like foreign wars... and then cutting taxes to pay for them....

    As far as health insurance, it has to be an upgrade over one of the least efficient healthcare delivery systems in the free world. How do we manage to spend far more per capita than anyone else, have such mediocre results and still have 1/6 of our population shut out of the system. All Americans that believe in decency and compassion for our fellow man should be deeply ashamed.
    why do socialists constantly whine about a proper government function when its the improper government activities that cost the most money? and yes people like you need to have your taxes raised. the rich already pay too much



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    Re: Are You in Favor of a Single Payer Health Care System?

    Amazed makes a point that a public option if included in HCR (different than complete single payor) would drive private insurers out of business. Exactly ... Well if private insurance making billions in profit cannot offer the same level of service and competitive rates and service as a public option would have ... they will either cut the fat that cost 30% of each healthcare dollar to run .... or become efficient and less greedy and run on a 3-5% administrative rate.

    First, it is the first step toward the single payor, it is in there precisley because the rest of the bill is designed to wipe private carriers off the scene.

    I do not assume that ANY Public Program can EVER give better results than ANY Private Program....there is no evidence of this in our Gov history.

    We will all be forced into the single payor you folks want....Obama lied when he said you could keep what you have.
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    Re: Are You in Favor of a Single Payer Health Care System?

    Single payer doesn't necessarily mean no private health care.
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    Re: Are You in Favor of a Single Payer Health Care System?

    Not in a perfect world, but the Bill is designed to take them out.

    First shots fired are....
    1) No pre-existing exclusions.
    2) Chilfren automatically covered.
    3) Dependent up to age 26 on parents plan.


    Just the pre-existing part will be enough to take out MOST carriers.
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    Re: Are You in Favor of a Single Payer Health Care System?

    An analogy I just thought of.....Our new health care bill is similar to the US postal service with its competition from United Parcel and FedX.All three of these are lean and competitive.
    Our health care can be the same, private health care can be equally competitive, right now, its very wasteful.

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    Re: Are You in Favor of a Single Payer Health Care System?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Actually our 2 biggest budget problems are Medicare and Medicaid,
    and that's largely because of the uncontrolled cost of health care. That $6,000 per person (in 2007, who knows how much it is now) is bankrupting government as well as private entities.

    $6,000 x300 million = $1,800,000,000,000, that's one trillion, eight hundred billion.
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    Re: Are You in Favor of a Single Payer Health Care System?

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    That's rather an unproveable point, as no two UHC systems are the same, and no two countries are the same, so comparing current existing systems is apples and oranges at the least, and frogs and Pluto at the most.
    That's been my point the whole time, but people still find the need to make faulty comparisons.
    Instead of addressing systematic issues with out medical care system, people want to take the easy way out and convert to single payer/UHC, which doesn't address the systematic issues at all.
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    Re: Are You in Favor of a Single Payer Health Care System?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    and that's largely because of the uncontrolled cost of health care. That $6,000 per person (in 2007, who knows how much it is now) is bankrupting government as well as private entities.

    $6,000 x300 million = $1,800,000,000,000, that's one trillion, eight hundred billion.
    That primarily comes from elder care, in the form of "gold plated" Medicare and the gaming of Medicaid.

    To have a nationalized system of medical care, you're going to have to reduce service options and/or establish price controls.
    Why is it superior again?
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    Re: Are You in Favor of a Single Payer Health Care System?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    That's been my point the whole time, but people still find the need to make faulty comparisons.
    Instead of addressing systematic issues with out medical care system, people want to take the easy way out and convert to single payer/UHC, which doesn't address the systematic issues at all.
    There are no perfect comparisons, but that does not mean that it is faulty to compare results with other countries, since health care is a factor in that result. Not the only factor, but definitely a factor. The problem is with drawing too large a conclusion from the comparison.
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    Re: Are You in Favor of a Single Payer Health Care System?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    An analogy I just thought of.....Our new health care bill is similar to the US postal service with its competition from United Parcel and FedX.All three of these are lean and competitive.
    Our health care can be the same, private health care can be equally competitive, right now, its very wasteful.
    the USPS leaked a few billion last year

    great analogy though



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