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    Re: Are You in Favor of a Single Payer Health Care System?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I don't think that is what people are making it out to be. They are simply saying it is a superior system to what we have.
    Aside from cost, the evidence to that has not been presented.
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    Re: Are You in Favor of a Single Payer Health Care System?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    You say that like cutting out the middlemen would be a bad thing.
    The government is still a middle man.
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    Re: Are You in Favor of a Single Payer Health Care System?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amazed View Post
    Oh yes, this is also in the Bill....one should ask why...especially in light of the other mandates I've noted

    SEC. 321. ESTABLISHMENT AND ADMINISTRATION OF A PUBLIC HEALTH INSURANCE OPTION AS AN EXCHANGE-QUALIFIED HEALTH BENEFITS PLAN.

    (1) EXCLUSIVE TO THE EXCHANGE- The public health insurance option shall only be made available through the Health Insurance Exchange.

    (2) ENSURING A LEVEL PLAYING FIELD- Consistent with this subtitle, the public health insurance option shall comply with requirements that are applicable under this title to an Exchange-participating health benefits plan, including requirements related to benefits, benefit levels, provider networks, notices, consumer protections, and cost-sharing.

    (3) PROVISION OF BENEFIT LEVELS- The public health insurance option--

    (A) shall offer basic, enhanced, and premium plans; and

    (B) may offer premium-plus plans.
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    Re: Are You in Favor of a Single Payer Health Care System?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Aside from cost, the evidence to that has not been presented.
    Evidence that it is a superior system?
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    Re: Are You in Favor of a Single Payer Health Care System?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Evidence that it is a superior system?
    Yes. 10chars
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    Re: Are You in Favor of a Single Payer Health Care System?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Yes. 10chars
    That's rather an unproveable point, as no two UHC systems are the same, and no two countries are the same, so comparing current existing systems is apples and oranges at the least, and frogs and Pluto at the most.
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    Re: Are You in Favor of a Single Payer Health Care System?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Ummm...if we had single payer, then your health care would be payed by your taxes just as your use of roads is now. You can't have it both ways.

    If you have health insurance, you are paying for another person's hysterectomy or dialysis, just as other people will be paying for yours when your turn comes along.

    You keep repeating these jingoistic soundbites that don't have any real content or basis in reality.

    The amount paid for socialized medicine, to call "single payer" what it really is, is disproportionate to the value recieved, for most people.

    Also, the freedom of choice is lost.

    Not to mention that little fact you refused to address, that the Constitution forbids socialism in all forms, including medical.

    With my medical insurance Mayor Snorkum has the freedom to choose his coverage, he has the freedom to shop for alternate providers, he has the freedom to choose his deductible, he has the freedom to decline being covered at all.

    Socialized medicine ends all those freedoms, and yet provides nothing for Mayor Snorkum he isn't already providing, but socialized medicinen costs more, in dollar terms, in lost freedom, and in lost quality of care.

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    Re: Are You in Favor of a Single Payer Health Care System?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    You say that like cutting out the middlemen would be a bad thing.
    Oh.

    So you favor the elimination of all insurance carriers and the elimination of all government agencies, and seek to return medical care to the days when people paid cash for their health care.

    Interestingly anachronistic, but it's probably more productive to simply allow private insurance companies to finally conduct business across state lines and just get the government out of the health care market.

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    Re: Are You in Favor of a Single Payer Health Care System?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I support a single payer healthcare system. Insurance companies do not have patients as their goal. I think for profit healthcare is wrong. The goal should be to help and heal those that are sick, not squeeze them for money and leave them to die if they can't afford it. I completely understand that doctors and staff need to be paid and that procedures cost money, but insurance companies aren't in it to help people or look out for their consumer. I'm sick of being dependent on insurance companies that can do whatever they want to and charge whatever they want to while we are the ones who lose in the long run.
    The single payer, ie, the government, won't have patient health as it's goal either. The goal of people in government is now, has always been, power, money, and prestige. It's perfectly clear that any single payer system will be rationed system and that means value judgements will be made on who deserves care and who does not, and that judgement is going to be based on..what else, financial considerations.

    The correct alternative to your complaint that insurance companies are greedy is to recognize the fact that the residents of a given state are hostage to the insurance companies doing business in that state and the solution to closed markets is the opening of those markets. Lost freedom by government fiat isn't the solution to high prices, expanded competition is the solution. Demand the Congress permit interstate commerce in health insurance.

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    Re: Are You in Favor of a Single Payer Health Care System?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Health care cost per capita is over $6,000 in the US, far higher than any other nation, and that figure is from 2007. It is certain to be a lot higher now.

    The bottom line is that the US can no longer afford the health care system it now has. It is bankrupting not only business, which pays for employee coverage, but the government as well. It is a negative force in the creation of jobs, and a big part of the current deficit.

    Not only do we have the most expensive health care system on Earth, but we don't get what we pay for. People here are no healthier than they are in other modern nations, and may be less so.

    There is no question about it: We need to have a real national health care system and soon.
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    so the federal government has the power to create a national health care system?
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