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Are you buying Iodine?

Are you buying Iodine to protect yourself if Japan's reactor's meltdown?


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Of course not. Actually, as I approach the age of seventy and consider the government's track record on accurately inspiring hysteria, I do the opposite of whatever the government says. I lived through the the inevitable nuclear holocaust with a nuclear winter, I lived through the swine flu and DDT spraying, I lived through Y2K and the killer apples. I lived through the dreaded Clinton egg hysteria. Oh, and fire ants and killer bees. I lived through both of those, too. Oh, and my personal favorite...steaks cooked on a charcoal grill cause cancer. I doubled my intake of charcoaled steaks. No, I was trying CFL in my home until the government said they were going to be mandatory. Then I bought a lifetime supply of incandescent bulbs. Hey, I am almost seventy. A lifetime supply isn't that many and they're cheap.

But, if you want to have fun, go right now to Google and search for "List of carcinogens".
 
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I imagine that was tongue in cheek, but let me address that anyway...

"On the Beach", "Catch-22" and so forth... not a lot of realism there. In most instances of fallout and common radioactive contamination, the radiation declines (decays) very rapidly. Deadly levels of radioactivity commonly decline within hours to only moderately dangerous, and within a couple weeks to "nearly harmless". The only exception is long-lived isotopes which are relatively uncommon in most situations where radiation is a threat.



So for the cost of a plane ticket to Austrialia, or so, you could have a small home-made underground shelter and week or two worth of food and water to allow you ride out almost any fallout situation. Cyanide capsules would be a slight over-reaction. :wassat1:
Well sure, it was a fictional story about a fictional war between Russia and China where many atomic bombs were released on both countries simultaneously. What reminded me of the book was all the talk about the winds coming to the west coast.

If radioactivity dies out so fast, why can't anyone use the Chernobyl lands even today? That place is still a fenced in wasteland of radioactivity.
 
It would only really protect your thyroid. I'm not buying iodine. It's a lot of hype and the market is making a killing off of people's fears.
 
Even though my state is somewhat close to Japan I don't have plans to buy any. If it is confirmed that the reactor has melted down and we start getting reports of radiation coming this way, then we'll see.

Washington State is "somewhat close to Japan"????

I knew that the earthquake had moved Japan a little, but didn't realize it was now just off of our west coast.

How much radiation is really dangerous? Check out the figures, then decide whether those nuclear plants are any threat to anyone not spending a lot of time at ground zero.
 
What most people might not realize is that radioactive radon is more of a threat to us than nuclear power, and radon is something natural.
 
Well sure, it was a fictional story about a fictional war between Russia and China where many atomic bombs were released on both countries simultaneously. What reminded me of the book was all the talk about the winds coming to the west coast.

If radioactivity dies out so fast, why can't anyone use the Chernobyl lands even today? That place is still a fenced in wasteland of radioactivity.

As I understand it, there were some long-term radioisotopes released from Chernobyl for some reason. Don't ask me why, because I don't know. You shouldn't normally get those isotopes from a nuclear plant meltdown. One wonders what else might have been going on there.

On the other hand, some of the region that was evacuated is now apparently safe to pass through. I don't have details on what the ambient radiation is in the area, but I saw a video made by some Russian chick that rides a motorcycle thru the "dead zone" regularly. I suspect a certain amount of hysterical fear of residual radiation might be one reason; traces of those unexplained long-lived isotopes possibly another. I haven't really dug into the matter that deeply.

Some isotopes, like the Cesium radioactive isotope, are serious bad news. Some, like Strontium-90 (IIRC) are very long lasting. Most radioisotopes do decay quickly though.
 
To anyone who's buying Iodine...c'mon people, supplies are limited and the Japanese need em way more than we do.
 
I have no tablets and don't intent to buy any.
 
Im stocking up on crack and Im gonna stay wasted so I wont give a rats ass if my piss glows in the dark. duh winning!
 
Please, please, please..... DO NOT take potassium iodide unless you KNOW FOR SURE that you have been exposed to high levels of radiation!! This stuff isn't aspirin!

And for gosh sakes, the radiation levels IN Japan aren't that high, and there is NOT going to be a "radioactive cloud" dropping on the west coast giving people radiation poisoning!!!

That's thousands of frickin' miles, and radioactive particles are HEAVY and do NOT fly very well! The difference in ambient radiation in California/etc will be BARELY MEASUREABLE by the MOST SENSITIVE detectors and will NOT hurt you!

You West Coasties are going to be FINE.


Holy crap. :doh:

Well, until the earthquake.......
 
People who buy iodine also buy survival seed vaults and gold.
 
The government in Canada has taken it off of the shelves, which I find rather annoying. They are limiting my right to seek my own medicine.

In any case, I don't think there is a threat. I have been in contact with a couple of nuclear physicists because I was worried, and they said that the fears are being created by the media and nothing more.

The type of radioactive iodine coming out of the reactors has a short enough half life that by the time it crosses the pacific AND disperses on its way, it will have no more power than a medical x-ray, IF it affects us at all.

The average American has had greater exposure to radioactive iodine from their own government testing nuclear weapons in the desert (and the resulting atmospheric fallout) than anything that could drift over from Japan. There are people outside of the 20km zone of the reactors in Japan who have not received a year's worth of radioactive exposure, and they inhabit the same island.

Remember, the reactors didn't meltdown or explode. The radioactive steam release was planned and done in specific increments to avoid higher concentrations from escaping. The news will continue to fearmonger people but all rational and scientific sources say there is no major threat. If you take potassium iodide over this then you are hurting your body for no reason. It's good to have some in stock for a real disaster near you, but for something this far away you DON'T NEED IT.
 
To those saying that there is no concern... maybe you didn't see :


Notice the stuff falling back down?? Those were spent rods that are radioactive waste that was kept on site.

So, in many respects this is an event WORSE then Chernobyl. Also, let's not forget this situation is STILL not anywhere NEAR under control.

Japan earthquake and tsunami: Fukushima nulear plant radiation leak could kill people | Mail Online
How Much Fuel Is at Risk at Fukushima? - ScienceInsider

Don't worry though, most of you that will do nothing in the face of the radioactive cloud working it's way towards north america at this point (already starting to arrive from the 'minor' explosion... NOT the BIG explosion from the linked video that would still be a few days away), well, in 5-10-20 years when you or your children get cancers from exposure to radioactive particles (NOT THE SAME as getting an x-ray) I'm sure that it will get blamed on something else, like was also done in chernobyl...

BTW : Scientists conclude: Chernobyl killed nearly 1 million people : Climate and Capitalism
 
To those saying that there is no concern... maybe you didn't see :


Notice the stuff falling back down?? Those were spent rods that are radioactive waste that was kept on site.

So, in many respects this is an event WORSE then Chernobyl. Also, let's not forget this situation is STILL not anywhere NEAR under control.

Japan earthquake and tsunami: Fukushima nulear plant radiation leak could kill people | Mail Online
How Much Fuel Is at Risk at Fukushima? - ScienceInsider

Don't worry though, most of you that will do nothing in the face of the radioactive cloud working it's way towards north america at this point (already starting to arrive from the 'minor' explosion... NOT the BIG explosion from the linked video that would still be a few days away), well, in 5-10-20 years when you or your children get cancers from exposure to radioactive particles (NOT THE SAME as getting an x-ray) I'm sure that it will get blamed on something else, like was also done in chernobyl...

BTW : Scientists conclude: Chernobyl killed nearly 1 million people : Climate and Capitalism


It's my understanding that a great deal of the problem will be resolved once the plants have power restored. Yes, there's a bit of a mess to deal with, but the world ended when the Deep Horizon blew up, so I'm afraid we're fresh out of apocalypses at the moment.
 
It's my understanding that a great deal of the problem will be resolved once the plants have power restored.

Maybe once the bury the plant in several feet of concrete... but, to my understanding, which is FAR from expert level, the areas directly surrounding the plant have to deal with uranium and plutonium contamination. This had FAR more radioactive material, the site ALSO served as a nuclear waste dumping ground and the containment has failed on several plants.

Those within the 200km range... well, that's where the most devastating effects will be had. Since the prevailing winds tend to go out to sea that is a saving grace since the truly deadly particles of uranium and plutonium will mostly fall into the oceans... (we can expect to see a larger fish die-off again because of this)

The further out from the reactor the more the radioactive particles appear in the form of radioactive iodine. Which you can at least protect yourself from with the stable iodine... but you don't want to abuse that stuff either because that can have severe side-effects from that as well...

With Chernobyl this radioactive iodine encircled the globe for YEARS before dissipating into the background radiation.

Now here's the big lie of the industry : Getting an x-ray where you get radiation projected onto you is one thing and external radiation such as this well, too much will cause problems, but it's generally safe.

What will occur is that you will be taking in radioactive particles which causes MUCH more harm because the radiation is attacking you from the inside.... at least if you fill your thyroid at the appropriate time, any absorption of radioactive iodine will at least pass through your kidneys and that's the extent that it can damage you.

Yes, there's a bit of a mess to deal with, but the world ended when the Deep Horizon blew up, so I'm afraid we're fresh out of apocalypses at the moment.

No, this is a devastating event that will have consequences... well... forever for all intentions, but this is NOT an end of the world event, and it's actually more important that you NOT panic, because any panic would cause more havoc then the radiation might...

Just accept that if you're not prepared and suddenly "oh crap we got a MASSIVE surge of radiation, take your iodine NOW"...
THose that don't have any will have to hope that the government doesn't pull another katrina level response.

Oh, and women and children first. Children especially because they have fast growing cells that are more susceptible.

Don't be greedy guys, especially if you're 35-40 or older.

TO say this is nothing is severely downplaying... this is a VERY serious issue that will have long-term effects EVEN IF they contain everything, but we must also maintain perspective and handle the issue in a controlled rational fashion.
 
Maybe once the bury the plant in several feet of concrete...

Well as I hear once they have power they can bring the many safety systems back online. Some cores are still relatively intact and just need the normal cooling system restored.

the areas directly surrounding the plant have to deal with uranium and plutonium contamination.

If we can bury an entire nuke plant, with bodies unrecovered, in the desert, then I'm sure we can remove contaminated structures.

the site ALSO served as a nuclear waste dumping ground and the containment has failed on several plants.

I don't think it's accurate to paint the storage of spent fuel rods on site, in strict accordance with established procedure, as a "dump". Also, containment failed because the power eventually went out, not because anyone was doing anything wrong. This isn't the oil spill where a few people made catastrophically bad decisions. This was a natural disaster.

(we can expect to see a larger fish die-off again because of this)

We can expect them to recover, too.

The further out from the reactor the more the radioactive particles appear in the form of radioactive iodine. Which you can at least protect yourself from with the stable iodine... but you don't want to abuse that stuff either because that can have severe side-effects from that as well...

With Chernobyl this radioactive iodine encircled the globe for YEARS before dissipating into the background radiation.

Yeah this isn't Chernobyl. Not even close.

Now here's the big lie of the industry : Getting an x-ray where you get radiation projected onto you is one thing and external radiation such as this well, too much will cause problems, but it's generally safe.

What will occur is that you will be taking in radioactive particles which causes MUCH more harm because the radiation is attacking you from the inside.... at least if you fill your thyroid at the appropriate time, any absorption of radioactive iodine will at least pass through your kidneys and that's the extent that it can damage you.

Don't forget your Y2K rations.

No, this is a devastating event that will have consequences... well... forever for all intentions, but this is NOT an end of the world event, and it's actually more important that you NOT panic, because any panic would cause more havoc then the radiation might...

Just accept that if you're not prepared and suddenly "oh crap we got a MASSIVE surge of radiation, take your iodine NOW"...
THose that don't have any will have to hope that the government doesn't pull another katrina level response.

Oh, and women and children first. Children especially because they have fast growing cells that are more susceptible.

Don't be greedy guys, especially if you're 35-40 or older.

CNN Food Central Y2K supplies A preparedness checklist

TO say this is nothing is severely downplaying... this is a VERY serious issue that will have long-term effects EVEN IF they contain everything, but we must also maintain perspective and handle the issue in a controlled rational fashion.

We aren't handling anything here. This is discussion forum, not an emergency team, and we're average Joes, not trained nuke engineers.
 
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Well as I hear once they have power they can bring the many safety systems back online. Some cores are still relatively intact and just need the normal cooling system restored.

There's a fair bit that's already been openly exposed, in the explosions depleted rods were projected thousands of feet in the air (which would have remained unknown if not for a japanese child with a video cellphone).

So, yes, I agree that once they get power back they will be able to contain the problem, HOWEVER, there's already been a heavy release of radioactive debris, and whatever of that debris gets caught in the jetstream (mainly the radioactive iodine since other radioactive debris like uranium and plutonium are so heavy that it can't disperse as far) will spread around the world... possibly for years... the issue then becomes the concentration of the stuff and that's the determination you would need before dosing yourself with iodine.

If we can bury an entire nuke plant, with bodies unrecovered, in the desert, then I'm sure we can remove contaminated structures.

Well, it depends on the outcome... which, from what I've heard there's 3 main possibilities :
1 - Complete meltdown, which just means the areas gotta be locked down (20-150 sq km)
2 - Coolant maintained with a slow leak of radiation.... essentially forever
3 - A nuclear explosion, which is less likely but would be ABSOLUTELY devastating for much of the world.

The BEST outcome would be as you said, getting power back and successfully repairing the coolant systems... then it's only what's been released that needs a cleanup.

I don't think it's accurate to paint the storage of spent fuel rods on site, in strict accordance with established procedure, as a "dump". Also, containment failed because the power eventually went out, not because anyone was doing anything wrong. This isn't the oil spill where a few people made catastrophically bad decisions. This was a natural disaster.

Strictly speaking you're probably right... the point was that they have kept 40 years of spent fuel rods on the site... and that got shot thousands of feet into the sky in the #3 explosion.

And no, I'm not placing blame as though this was human error...

We can expect them to recover, too.

Of course, this is far from a 'world ending event'... but at the same time we cannot downplay the severity of the problem.

Yeah this isn't Chernobyl. Not even close.

In many ways it is WORSE then Chernobyl... BUT, the overall implications will NOT be as devastating BECAUSE the prevailing winds and jetstream move into the oceans.

Don't forget your Y2K rations.

non-sequitar... but ya... it may become a prudent move to test radiation levels in food... and consider that this would be bio-accumulative, and so a cow eating radiated grass while being radiated itself and then you eat that radiated meat and drink the radiated milk... though, honestly, I don't expect the situation to be THAT bad...


It's the rule of 3... 3 minutes without air, 3 hours without shelter, 3 days without water or 3 weeks without food, 3 months left to your own devices in the wild (though there are many examples of people surviving longer).

My grandparents lived through the great depression, and they told me about what they had to do to survive as a family... and you better believe that they stored 3 months worth of non-perishable food... NOT because they were living in fear that there would be a shortage, but JUST IN CASE there was a shortage.

We aren't handling anything here. This is discussion forum, not an emergency team, and we're average Joes, not trained nuke engineers.

No, we aren't handling anything relevant to this disaster, but we STILL must handle ourselves... and I don't mean we should delude ourselves into thinking everything is just fine... it's better to be prepared and not need it then to be put into a situation where you are not prepared but have these needs.
 
No, we aren't handling anything relevant to this disaster, but we STILL must handle ourselves... and I don't mean we should delude ourselves into thinking everything is just fine... it's better to be prepared and not need it then to be put into a situation where you are not prepared but have these needs.

Before lecturing others on properly handling themselves, look in the mirror. You just said a possible outcome was a nuclear explosion. Please, where is your source claiming mushroom clouds are imminent?
 
I gots da straight skinny from a tall blonde on da tube. She say a little that radiation stuff be good for ya. GE just bringing us good things. Right.
 
Even though my state is somewhat close to Japan I don't have plans to buy any. If it is confirmed that the reactor has melted down and we start getting reports of radiation coming this way, then we'll see.

i live in Japan, and I'm not buying any. you could literally drink the tapwater that has the amounts of I-131 discovered already every day for a month and be perfectly fine.
 
There's a fair bit that's already been openly exposed, in the explosions depleted rods were projected thousands of feet in the air (which would have remained unknown if not for a japanese child with a video cellphone)

the hydrogen explosions were caused by venting radioactive gas into the space above the reactor, had they knocked the rods out from their blockers (they didn't), they would have been pushed down.

irrespective, the rods are still where they were; it's just that they are now partially melted in at least 3 and possibly 4 of the plants.
 
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