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    Re: Are you buying Iodine?

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    First source that study.
    it's part of the DOE, DTRA, NRC, NISA, and IAEA briefs that I read twice a day every day. On top of the reporting that I get from Sendai, USFJ, PACOM, JDIA, JGSDF, and all the OSINT.

    THEN you MIGHT have an actual point.
    i have an actual point. specifically i have the correct point. specifically because of the two of us, one of us currently has the job of breaking down precisely this topic every day, and that person (and it is not you) reads the radiation charts, plots the collection points, and compare/contrasts it to the levels of radiation you recieve in a given day.

    The fact is the only medical use of radiation (that I'm aware of) are x-rays
    that's perfect then. a regular chest X-Ray is about 200 u Sv. you are exposed to around 2,000 u Sv every time you take an international flight. most folks pick up 2,400 mSv in a given year (that's 2,400,000 u SV); that's your baseline. to give you an idea of how low even that number is, the current safety threshold for workers at the Fukushima plant is 2,500,000 u Sv / hour. (or 21,900,000,000 u Sv per year). they've pulled out a few guys for radiation treatment, but those guys were measuring around 1,300,000 u Sv to 1,700,000 u Sv; and the act was an abundance of caution measure.

    oh. a u Sv is a microsievert, which is a thousandth of a millisievert (mSv), which is a thousandth of a sievert (S) which is the equivalent of a gray(G).....

    look, here, take a look at the numbers yourself: Rad Pro Calculator: Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) you can have a good time plugging in the amounts found anywhere beyond a 50 mile radius from the Fukushima plant and calculating how many centuries it would take you - recieving constant exposure to that amount - to be harmed.

    International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) this might also help.

    :pinches bridge of nose:

    from your link: the concentration was "less than a millionth" of what was found in European countries in the wake of the 1986 Chornobyl disaster that spewed radiation over a large distance... "We thus conclude that there is no reason to worry about radioactivity levels in Iceland, nor anywhere in Europe, resulting from the nuclear accident in Japan," said Sigurdur Emil Palsson, head of emergency preparedness....

    look, this is a problem for people in Japan. personally, i think at least a couple of those reactors are probably shot, and will need cementing. but you might as well start wearing tin foil hats "just to be on the safe side" as buy iodine pills in california as a response to this.

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    Re: Are you buying Iodine?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    it's part of the DOE, DTRA, NRC, NISA, and IAEA briefs that I read twice a day every day. On top of the reporting that I get from Sendai, USFJ, PACOM, JDIA, JGSDF, and all the OSINT.

    i have an actual point. specifically i have the correct point. specifically because of the two of us, one of us currently has the job of breaking down precisely this topic every day, and that person (and it is not you) reads the radiation charts, plots the collection points, and compare/contrasts it to the levels of radiation you recieve in a given day.

    that's perfect then. a regular chest X-Ray is about 200 u Sv. you are exposed to around 2,000 u Sv every time you take an international flight. most folks pick up 2,400 mSv in a given year (that's 2,400,000 u SV); that's your baseline. to give you an idea of how low even that number is, the current safety threshold for workers at the Fukushima plant is 2,500,000 u Sv / hour. (or 21,900,000,000 u Sv per year). they've pulled out a few guys for radiation treatment, but those guys were measuring around 1,300,000 u Sv to 1,700,000 u Sv; and the act was an abundance of caution measure.

    oh. a u Sv is a microsievert, which is a thousandth of a millisievert (mSv), which is a thousandth of a sievert (S) which is the equivalent of a gray(G).....
    Ok, so... no source... radiation is suddenly good for you in smaller doses... but you can't show a source, not even one that's over my head so I can see it's not just an empty claim.

    Second, as I pointed out REPEATEDLY. The first wave of radiation that's being detected going around the world is ONLY from the FIRST days... where there was the 'small' explosion... where the pressure wave dissipated at, I estimate, 1000-1500 feet (the towers in the frame are 1000 ft)

    Since then, there's been SEVERAL mre explosions, and SEVERAL of them have been LARGER then the initial one where people are getting the 'super-low readings'...

    Next, You're correct that I'm not an expert, but I get that itch real quick when I can see that someone is not being forthcoming, being manipulative or outright lying, and quite simply, when they are now talking about 'neutron beams' being witnessed coming from the plants, yellow rain, etc... To me, that spells a cover-up.

    That said, what's detected in iceland, NOT ONLY is it the first day of radiation released that's getting detected (when the containment was still supposedly at 100%), this is also the same levels of radation that have been dispersed around half the globe already, which implies some dissipation and all.

    Furthermore, I've been saying that the levels detected are not near 'panic time'.. I've explicitly said that panic would be worse then the fallout.

    Also, have you not noticed that beyond that initial reading, there's NO MORE reported on the radiation?? If there are reports I've yet to see a number... just "oh it's low, it's safe". Well, it'd be nice to have access to the real readings.

    look, here, take a look at the numbers yourself: Rad Pro Calculator: Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) you can have a good time plugging in the amounts found anywhere beyond a 50 mile radius from the Fukushima plant and calculating how many centuries it would take you - recieving constant exposure to that amount - to be harmed.

    International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) this might also help.

    :pinches bridge of nose:

    from your link: the concentration was "less than a millionth" of what was found in European countries in the wake of the 1986 Chornobyl disaster that spewed radiation over a large distance... "We thus conclude that there is no reason to worry about radioactivity levels in Iceland, nor anywhere in Europe, resulting from the nuclear accident in Japan," said Sigurdur Emil Palsson, head of emergency preparedness....

    look, this is a problem for people in Japan. personally, i think at least a couple of those reactors are probably shot, and will need cementing. but you might as well start wearing tin foil hats "just to be on the safe side" as buy iodine pills in california as a response to this.
    Ok, but I still don't see that you're making any distinction between getting that chest x-ray and when that one radioactively charged particle that you inhale giving you an equivalent of 1/20th chest x-ray every __ seconds until your body processes it and you pass it through. And then the bio-accumulation of such radiation going from, a fish eating contaminated fish and bioaccumulating, and then you eating that contamination, then drinking a glass of contaminated water, when there is more cloud dropping down because the leaks are continuing and / or worsening...

    But instead we just get the one reading... it's almost like if there's a hurricane coming and you take the wind reading while it's still off the coast and it tells you 'ok, the wind is 40km/h now, oh this hurricane will be safe'... but then neglect to mention anything about the actual HURRICANE.

    BTW, there are some estimates that over a million people died from diseases related to chernobyl meltdown in the 25 years after the fact, and as I've said before, a saving grace that might keep that number lower for this event is that the radiation must at least cross one ocean before being an exclusive japanese issue.

    Even in Chernobyl, when there was the 'yellow rain' that japan has seen, back then they claimed that it was 'pollen water'... and so kids played in the puddles by the time the truth came out those that were hurt, well, it was too late for them.

    I don't get the tinfoil hat reference... and I wish you guys would actually understand nuance.... this is painful... I mean, it's like telling me that I'm stupid for having a spare tire on my car... COME ON!!!

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    Re: Are you buying Iodine?

    Just noticed how you left out the chemotherapy radiation in your analysis...

    care to go over a bit of that??

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    Re: Are you buying Iodine?

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    Just noticed how you left out the chemotherapy radiation in your analysis...

    care to go over a bit of that??
    chemo is serious rads. as i understand it, basically they are betting that it will kill the cancer before it kills you, but i haven't studied it so i really can't comment.

    however, to help you out, as i was going through the unclassified press releases today from above-mentioned alphabet soup types, i saved a couple of notes for you to peruse. i'll see if i can attach them.
    Attached Files Attached Files

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    Re: Are you buying Iodine?

    well that didn't work at all; the files are too dang big. alright here:

    TEPCO : Press Room | Press Releases

    Fukushima Nuclear Accident Update Log

    NISA - Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency

    if you are so sure that in the US ya'll should be worried, spend some time on these sites here "so you understand the situation and are ready". you might be interested to learn that many of those explosions you cite are deliberate.
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    Re: Are you buying Iodine?

    [QUOTE=cpwill;1059371819]well that didn't work at all; the files are too dang big. alright here:

    TEPCO : Press Room | Press Releases

    Fukushima Nuclear Accident Update Log

    NISA - Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency

    if you are so sure that in the US ya'll should be worried, spend some time on these sites here "so you understand the situation and are ready". you might be interested to learn that many of those explosions you cite are deliberate.
    No, I'm NOT saying to be worried... because honestly, there haven't been ANY radiation detectors that have shown any significant increases in radiation. That said, the longer this drags on the more radiation gets expelled...

    In this case the majority of the fallout is landing in the oceans, and so there's not going to be the same extent of health problems beyond Japan...

    The nuclear industry DOES have a motivation in downplaying the extent of these problems though, so that must be factored in as well.

    Preparedness is NOT the same thing as 'worry'. My grandparents didn't keep six months of reserve food in the basement because they FEARED that there would not be food on the shelves, they did it because in the off chance that something DID happen to the food supply that they would be better able to weather the storm.

    Explosions at the plants deliberate?? I'd have to take your word on that one.

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    Re: Are you buying Iodine?

    yes, bleeding off excess hydrogen is necesssary to reduce pressure build-up; however hydrogen explodes. better to have several smaller controlled explosions than one large uncontrolled one.

    TEPCO absolutely has a vested interest in downplaying the damage, and they and the japanese have been doing so to one degree or another. however, this is the 21st century, and their ability to do so is severely hampered by the presence of the IAEA, the NRC, the US Military and various ISR assetts.

    i'll be honest; if i lived on the northern half of the main island I would purchase iodine tablets under precisely the logic you are describing. but doing it in the US is.... well, my earlier analogy is still good; its like ducking and weaving as you leave your house in case any of the rounds from our shooting range over here have managed to fly across the pacific.

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    Re: Are you buying Iodine?

    Ok, you're starting to see my point a little better...

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    yes, bleeding off excess hydrogen is necesssary to reduce pressure build-up; however hydrogen explodes. better to have several smaller controlled explosions than one large uncontrolled one.
    I could believe that for the first explosion... the one with a pressure wave that dissipated around 1000ft (app height of the towers in the frame). The reactor 3 explosion a few days later, I don't really care if you were the person that planned it out... I would still be forced to believe what I saw and that was (even if I went as far as believing it was intentional) went up far bigger then could have been intended.

    Other scientists in a nuclear area of expertise have pointed out that even that fukushima 3 reactor was not entirely powerful enough to blast very much into the jet stream.... which is the condition where the US would be more seriously impacted.. afterall, even though Japan is a pacific neighbor there's still a lot of pacific between.

    TEPCO absolutely has a vested interest in downplaying the damage, and they and the japanese have been doing so to one degree or another. however, this is the 21st century, and their ability to do so is severely hampered by the presence of the IAEA, the NRC, the US Military and various ISR assetts.
    But even these other groups you mention ALSO have a vested interest in protecting the image of nuclear powers safety... which is about comparable to an airline where suddenly every plane in the sky might have simultaneous engine failures and crashes. THen to come out and say "we had a good run of 25 years since that's happened". Really, only the nuclear industry could get away with such things.

    i'll be honest; if i lived on the northern half of the main island I would purchase iodine tablets under precisely the logic you are describing. but doing it in the US is.... well, my earlier analogy is still good; its like ducking and weaving as you leave your house in case any of the rounds from our shooting range over here have managed to fly across the pacific.
    I hear you here... and that's most of what I've been trying to say. If you're in Japan. especially within the 150-200k of the plant itself, especially south easterly... not only should they be taking the iodine pills, they should do their best to get to the south / western areas of the country (even Tokyo, from what I hear, will probably find itself with an increased cancer rate)...

    In the US, the readings are still in the 0.0X USi range, and while I still say that having iodine as part of a preparedness kit COULD be prudent, NOT to take them at this point... the most concerned people should be is to be taking iodine supplementation through food. foods like kelp and a variety of nutritional supplements have iodine that is at levels to be helpful for health reasons, but NOT for defensive reasons.

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    Re: Are you buying Iodine?

    No, we have not bought any iodine aside from what comes in the salt we buy. No need to panic.




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