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    Re: Is Palin's political career over?

    considering how many lefties on the board desperatly want her to win the GOP nomination in 2012 (and completely believe she will), the current poll results must be in error.

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    Re: Is Palin's political career over?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    As I stated above, with the way they apparently picked her, I absolutely agree....

    that's a bungle on the McCain camps part, not hers. She was a good pick, picked in the wrong fashion, and then used poorly in a larger campaign scope after that.
    but we disagree that she was a good pick. i think she was a horrible pick. she was supremely NOT READY. and what she's done since then hasn't made her more palatable to voters in general. not her "base"......but overall.

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    Re: Is Palin's political career over?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    She will not bother..
    she doesn't have to bother. all she has to do is exist and they will go after her. even if she is never a candidate ever again, they will still keep attacking her and bringing her up.
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    Re: Is Palin's political career over?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    McCain was hurting significantly with the base, and wasn't doing great with moderates at the time. He had to get someone that would please the base or he was doomed for a Mondale like loss most likely. To get someone the base was happy with it was going to be someone that was staunchly conservative. Someone staunchly conservative, be it Palin or someone else, was going to annoy independents. McCain's best choice was to pick someone to motivate the base and HE move to the middle...because it was obvious he wasn't going to excite the base.

    Seriously, what potential VP candidate from the 2008 time period would've excited the base but not caused problems with moderates?
    I just think that the gop pandering to that base is hurting the gop in the long run... but that's my opinion. The Tea Party built their success in part by saying it wasn't about the religious base, but lowering the debt... People tend to care more about issues that affect them, than OMG that woman is in her 40s and has 5 kids because she so profile and loves Jesus.

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    Re: Is Palin's political career over?

    Palin is making way too much money on TV to bother with petty things like politics. Keep in mind, she already quit being a governor to pursue this career. She has chosen her path.
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    Re: Is Palin's political career over?

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    considering how many lefties on the board desperatly want her to win the GOP nomination in 2012 (and completely believe she will), the current poll results must be in error.
    The poll was "what do you think," not "what do you want."
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    Re: Is Palin's political career over?

    Zyphlin, something you talked briefly in your analysis on, but did not give enough attention to, is why she was a needed pack for him, which is the primaries. Most candidates, as you mention, work for their base in the primaries. McCain could never have won the primaries that way since pretty much every other candidate was stronger with the republican base. McCain's only option was to pick up moderate republicans, independents where they could vote, and hope that gave him enough, which it did. This left him with really no hope come general since he was not going to have strong appeal from the base, and his only hope was to pick some one who would give him that appeal.

    But he needed more, and Palin fit the bill for that. Being a woman gave him something historic to counter Obama in that area, and being a Washington outsider and unknown gave him a chance to keep his "maverick" credentials without actually running as that maverick, or at least that was the probably hope. It all failed because Palin was not ready for primetime, and a republican in the political climate had almost no shot to begin with.

    McCain lost for a lot of reasons, but to be fair, Palin was not one of them. She probably was a net positive for his campaign, just not enough of one.
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    Re: Is Palin's political career over?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    McCain was hurting significantly with the base, and wasn't doing great with moderates at the time. He had to get someone that would please the base or he was doomed for a Mondale like loss most likely. To get someone the base was happy with it was going to be someone that was staunchly conservative. Someone staunchly conservative, be it Palin or someone else, was going to annoy independents. McCain's best choice was to pick someone to motivate the base and HE move to the middle...because it was obvious he wasn't going to excite the base.

    Seriously, what potential VP candidate from the 2008 time period would've excited the base but not caused problems with moderates?
    I'm not sure why exciting the base is necessary in terms of the general election though. For the most part party loyalists will still vote in the general election.
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    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Is Palin's political career over?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Zyphlin, something you talked briefly in your analysis on, but did not give enough attention to, is why she was a needed pack for him, which is the primaries. Most candidates, as you mention, work for their base in the primaries. McCain could never have won the primaries that way since pretty much every other candidate was stronger with the republican base. McCain's only option was to pick up moderate republicans, independents where they could vote, and hope that gave him enough, which it did. This left him with really no hope come general since he was not going to have strong appeal from the base, and his only hope was to pick some one who would give him that appeal.

    But he needed more, and Palin fit the bill for that. Being a woman gave him something historic to counter Obama in that area, and being a Washington outsider and unknown gave him a chance to keep his "maverick" credentials without actually running as that maverick, or at least that was the probably hope. It all failed because Palin was not ready for primetime, and a republican in the political climate had almost no shot to begin with.

    McCain lost for a lot of reasons, but to be fair, Palin was not one of them. She probably was a net positive for his campaign, just not enough of one.
    You made some good points... like if she was ready for the limelight and was a strong candidate, he would have had a real good chance

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    Re: Is Palin's political career over?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    I'm not sure why exciting the base is necessary in terms of the general election though. For the most part party loyalists will still vote in the general election.
    Because you need the base to come out and vote for you. Supporting you does no good if you don't care enough to stand in line and vote. Further, a weak to the base candidate can loose votes to third parties...for example Gore.
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