View Poll Results: If you support workers ability to collectively bargain, what do you support?

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  • Workers have to join a specific union in order to get a job.

    8 11.27%
  • Workers have to join any workers union in order to get a job.

    4 5.63%
  • Workers don't have to join a union in order to get a job

    38 53.52%
  • Workers have to pay union dues in order to get a job.

    11 15.49%
  • Workers do not have to pay union dues in order to get a job.

    30 42.25%
  • Workers can form a different union if they do not like the unions that are avaliable.

    28 39.44%
  • Votes to join a union or other union related votes not being anonymous.

    3 4.23%
  • Votes to join a union or other union related votes being anonymous.

    33 46.48%
  • other.

    9 12.68%
  • I oppose unions.(please specify if it's all unions or just public sector unions you oppose).

    29 40.85%
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    Re: Those who support workers ability to collectively bargain what do you support?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    In other words, there should be no unions. Historically, how has that worked out for workers?
    well if you started a business with Randel and Haymarket you could allow unions. Some employers might like them. and in some areas if enough labor were to join an employer would have no choice but to allow unions. That's the way it should be-not the government artificially propping up unions that couldn't survive without government help

    I tend to be rather disrespectful of the idiotic expansions of the commerce clause and other "interpretations" that gave congress the power to support unions. Its not a proper function of congress

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    Re: Those who support workers ability to collectively bargain what do you support?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    well if you started a business with Randel and Haymarket you could allow unions. Some employers might like them. and in some areas if enough labor were to join an employer would have no choice but to allow unions. That's the way it should be-not the government artificially propping up unions that couldn't survive without government help

    I tend to be rather disrespectful of the idiotic expansions of the commerce clause and other "interpretations" that gave congress the power to support unions. Its not a proper function of congress
    Well, it is apparent there are those who disagree with you, but the reality of what your propose is that there would be no unions. We ahd a time like that, so we have history. How did that work out?

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    Re: Those who support workers ability to collectively bargain what do you support?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Well, it is apparent there are those who disagree with you, but the reality of what your propose is that there would be no unions. We ahd a time like that, so we have history. How did that work out?

    its not really a valid question given we now have plenty of laws that protect workers. We have OSHA W&H etc.

    so that has no relevance. And I don't oppose private unions if the employer wants or needs union labor

    Public sector unions are anathema to the taxpayers' best interests and should be abolished

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    Re: Those who support workers ability to collectively bargain what do you support?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    its not really a valid question given we now have plenty of laws that protect workers. We have OSHA W&H etc.

    so that has no relevance. And I don't oppose private unions if the employer wants or needs union labor

    Public sector unions are anathema to the taxpayers' best interests and should be abolished
    Things are better today, true, but largely because of the work of unions and that government intereference you dislike. Remove them, and do you really believe things won't revert? So, no, the question is valid.

    And what you're saying concerning public unions is that public employees have a collective voice in order to negotiate is against the ebst interest of the tax payer. Sure, if they would work for free, the tax payer would certainly have to pay less. But that's not fair either. Nor is it fair to regulate public empoyees to second class status behind private employees, who can bargin collectively.

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    Re: Those who support workers ability to collectively bargain what do you support?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Things are better today, true, but largely because of the work of unions and that government intereference you dislike. Remove them, and do you really believe things won't revert? So, no, the question is valid.

    And what you're saying concerning public unions is that public employees have a collective voice in order to negotiate is against the ebst interest of the tax payer. Sure, if they would work for free, the tax payer would certainly have to pay less. But that's not fair either. Nor is it fair to regulate public empoyees to second class status behind private employees, who can bargin collectively.
    Unions had their place in private industry and were able to produce reforms in many cases before FDR started violating the tenth amendment by supporting them. But even he understood that public sector unions are an abomination. The government has a duty to pay equal workers equal salaries. Public sector unions do not bargain fairly because they often decide who they negotiate against

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    Re: Those who support workers ability to collectively bargain what do you support?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Unions had their place in private industry and were able to produce reforms in many cases before FDR started violating the tenth amendment by supporting them. But even he understood that public sector unions are an abomination. The government has a duty to pay equal workers equal salaries. Public sector unions do not bargain fairly because they often decide who they negotiate against
    unions will be here when your deceased

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    Re: Those who support workers ability to collectively bargain what do you support?

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    unions will be here when your deceased
    that would be you're

    and so will tapeworms, chiggers and mosquitos. your point (note the proper use of your)

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    Re: Those who support workers ability to collectively bargain what do you support?

    Generally, anyone who earns a wage or salary should do so contractually. Anyone who works collectively should do so through collective bargaining.

    Unions provide the very necessary economic function of keeping the capital in circulation. Without such circulation, capital invariably coagulates in the upper extremities of society, causing the lower extremities to become increasingly anemic to the point where they become gangrenous. Eventually, the whole of society dies from socioeconomic septicemia which is expressed most visibly in the throes of violent endogenous revolution and/or violent exogenous invasion.
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    Re: Those who support workers ability to collectively bargain what do you support?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Unions had their place in private industry and were able to produce reforms in many cases before FDR started violating the tenth amendment by supporting them. But even he understood that public sector unions are an abomination. The government has a duty to pay equal workers equal salaries. Public sector unions do not bargain fairly because they often decide who they negotiate against
    Are you suggesting Business never plays a role in who is nominated? Wealthy people paly no role? If only unions donated to the cause, you might have a point. But frankly a lot of anti-union forces donate as much or more to candidates. I'm sorry, but there is no preversion, and unions are merely being scapegoated.

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    Re: Those who support workers ability to collectively bargain what do you support?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Are you suggesting Business never plays a role in who is nominated? Wealthy people paly no role? If only unions donated to the cause, you might have a point. But frankly a lot of anti-union forces donate as much or more to candidates. I'm sorry, but there is no preversion, and unions are merely being scapegoated.
    Private businesses tend to compete against one another. that is the last thing public sector unions want to do

    can you see it-SEIU tells the City of Cincinnati it will set pay at 2X minimum wage and AFSCME comes in and wait it will supply janitors for city hall who only want 1.5X minimum wage

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