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    Re: Do You Favor Nuclear Power?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    I need to ask you where you got this information because I'm pretty sure it is wrong. I know for a fact that the military guards our spent rods through specific measures even when they are "stored outside and vulnerable to attack". I highly doubt that anything less is allowed by civilian plants either, since we, government and civilian nuclear sites, are all subject to strict regulation by NRC. I can't say too much about the security measures I know of but I do know that it is not nearly as simple as you seem to think it is for a terrorist to attack either spent fuel rods or any other nuclear material that could possible be used to inflict a nuclear disaster in some way or another.

    Maybe you shouldn't get all this info from sites like these

    Spent Reactor Fuel Security | Union of Concerned Scientists

    Instead, check out the NRC's site,

    NRC: Backgrounder on Transportation of Spent Fuel and Radioactive Materials

    And everyone should keep in mind that if you were told about all the methods of security that the government insisted that plants employ to protect their potential terrorists targets, then it would allow for the terrorists to also know of those security measures and be better equiped to counter those security measures and thus attack or obtain that material that you are afraid that they will get.
    I doubt terrorists will want to GET it....once they got it, then what?
    Exploding it on site and letting the wind carry the results would be about the only thing they can do with it.
    And that won't be easy.

    There are so many more tempting, and effective, targets. They can easily poison our water supplies with little danger to themselves.
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    Re: Do You Favor Nuclear Power?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    I doubt terrorists will want to GET it....once they got it, then what?
    Exploding it on site and letting the wind carry the results would be about the only thing they can do with it.
    And that won't be easy.

    There are so many more tempting, and effective, targets. They can easily poison our water supplies with little danger to themselves.
    I wasn't just referring to spent fuel rods though. There are other potential targets out there that are regulated by NRC that are much more portable and would work better if stolen and added to a bomb.
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    Re: Do You Favor Nuclear Power?

    Some gen 4 nuclear power plants look good. The pebble bed one seems to be the one I like best.

    For long term sustainability of the nuke industry the fast spectrum plants will be needed, and they seem to use what is considered waste as a fuel
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    Re: Do You Favor Nuclear Power?

    The electrical grid

    You are very unlikely to get local competition in the electrical grid as the costs of installation is rather high for limited profits if any.

    To and from industrial uses/providers you could get compitition
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    Re: Do You Favor Nuclear Power?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    The electrical grid

    You are very unlikely to get local competition in the electrical grid as the costs of installation is rather high for limited profits if any.

    To and from industrial uses/providers you could get compitition
    I believe some heavy users just build their own power plants on site....
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    Re: Do You Favor Nuclear Power?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    Using today's technology the photovoltaic cells will last less than a decade, and will require, of course, 20 square meters of array to generate 8 kw at end of life.

    Now, since the United States consumes something on the order of a terawatt of electrical power, perhaps you can calculate how big an array must be launched to convert US electrical generation to this fantasy in the skies?

    Note that the aforementioned array was priced at twenty megabucks, as a component of a satellite.

    The launch vehicle for that satellite cost a hundred million dollars in itself.

    So, the cost is going to be some factor times twenty million dollars for the SPS, depending on how much power it's going to convert from sunlight, plus, of course, the cost of the bus to provide the housekeeping services as well as the station keeping and re-transmission antenna, plus a hundred million bucks just to heave the thing into the sky.

    And after it's launched it's going to be the biggest brightest lovliest target for any terrorist to attempt to steal and launch an A-sat weapon.

    How many of these things should we launch? You are aware that the world's professional and amateur astronomical community is going to oppose anything so destructive of dark night skies, aren't you?

    It's flatly impossible to use space borne assets to provide electricxal power at the prices quoted.

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    Re: Do You Favor Nuclear Power?

    Solar arrays in space are not in our near future, and shouldn't even be considered.
    When it comes to energy, research funding should go FIRST to finding more efficient ways to use it, not that those efficiences should be an excuse to waste any of it. Along with those efficiencies, we should find ways to modify our lifestyles to use less of it.
    We waste more energy in the USA than we realize. I know this may sound odd, but there was a time our neighborhoods didn't even have streetlights.
    Where I lived in the early 60's was a nice area on the northeast side of Houston, TX.... but no streetlights....not til you get to the edge of the neighborhood and are about to enter a main road..
    Even lighting on freeways could be cut back to half after midnight...
    Nearly all the ideas presented to us are ways to make more energy, hardly anyone talks about using less of it.
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    Re: Do You Favor Nuclear Power?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Solar arrays in space are not in our near future, and shouldn't even be considered.
    When it comes to energy, research funding should go FIRST to finding more efficient ways to use it, not that those efficiences should be an excuse to waste any of it. Along with those efficiencies, we should find ways to modify our lifestyles to use less of it.
    We waste more energy in the USA than we realize. I know this may sound odd, but there was a time our neighborhoods didn't even have streetlights.
    Where I lived in the early 60's was a nice area on the northeast side of Houston, TX.... but no streetlights....not til you get to the edge of the neighborhood and are about to enter a main road..
    Even lighting on freeways could be cut back to half after midnight...
    Nearly all the ideas presented to us are ways to make more energy, hardly anyone talks about using less of it.
    Absolutely. I would love to see more encouragement given for walking, riding a bike, or using public transportation. These things should be encouraged as much as possible. There are many cities that have good transportation systems. I know because I lived in many of them, including pretty much the entire island of Oahu, almost the entire Puget Sound area, and San Diego. Others can be easily navigated if people would stop being so impatient and/or lazy and just walk to the place they want to go when it is within a mile or two and they aren't planning on getting anything that would be unmanageable to bring home when walking. I know people who will drive their car a block down the road for a movie or to pick up a couple of groceries.

    I would also like to see measures taken to prevent communities and HOAs from denying people the right to be environmentally friendly even if it might cause aestetic displeasement to others, such as drying clothes outside.

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    Re: Do You Favor Nuclear Power?

    [QUOTE=UtahBill;1059358600 If 6 different power companies are competing for your energy dollars, there could be 6 sets of power lines, on 6 sets of poles
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    Maybe in new development communities, but not in long established cities.

    In my city, Grand Junction, Excel owns and maintains their own power lines from their part of the power grid, so if other company wanted to compete, they would have to put in new lines and hope they can use the same power grid, all on the faint possibility they can steal enough Xcel customers to make it cost effective.

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    Re: Do You Favor Nuclear Power?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    I believe some heavy users just build their own power plants on site....
    Some do

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