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    Re: Do You Favor Nuclear Power?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    No, Mayor Snorkum must not know what an electrical grid is because he posted something contrary to what you said.

    The must be the case.

    Has to be.

    Have you explored the corollary of what I posted, namely that if a competitor has the Constitutional freedom to build a competing distribution network it means also that the builders of the origninal network can claim exclusivity on their property?

    This is how real capitalism works.

    Now, should I bother to read the rest of your post or is it merely a hodge podge of irrelevant technical details not related to the philosophy of commercial enterprises in a free nation?


    No, it was a paean against esthetic sensibilities.

    Can't help you there, you either support freedom or you do not. The Mayor Supports freedom.
    Technical details?
    Unbridled capitalism should be allowed to ride roughshod over esthetic sensibilities? Do you want to see a hodgepodge of towers, substations, poles, wires all over the place. Capitalists don't have a right to profit at any cost to the public. There is a framework of rules to work within, and capitalism isn't excluded from those rules.
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    Re: Do You Favor Nuclear Power?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Technical details?
    Unbridled capitalism should be allowed to ride roughshod over esthetic sensibilities? Do you want to see a hodgepodge of towers, substations, poles, wires all over the place. Capitalists don't have a right to profit at any cost to the public. There is a framework of rules to work within, and capitalism isn't excluded from those rules.
    Like in the Philippines..............
    "This Administration will constantly strive to promote an ownership society in America. We want more people owning their own home. It is in our national interest that more people own their own home. After all, if you own your own home, you have a vital stake in the future of our country."" GWB

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    Re: Do You Favor Nuclear Power?

    Quote Originally Posted by USA_1 View Post
    Like in the Philippines..............
    Yeah,, I saw something similar in Kingston, Jamaica years back....the local exchange just cut your wire and threw it out the window if you stopped paying your bills....
    Old pics of our own major cities also show how messy things can get, especially when we had generators on every other block....
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    Re: Do You Favor Nuclear Power?

    I am not an engineer and I don't pretend to be one. So, I don't know is nuclear power is good or not. I do definitely support electricity. I use relatively little electricity, compared to most of the big name environmentalist, but I do like my computer.

    So, I would yield to people who actually know what they're talking about but I don't believe they can come from government.

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    Re: Do You Favor Nuclear Power?

    Quote Originally Posted by Patrickt View Post
    I am not an engineer and I don't pretend to be one. So, I don't know is nuclear power is good or not. I do definitely support electricity. I use relatively little electricity, compared to most of the big name environmentalist, but I do like my computer.

    So, I would yield to people who actually know what they're talking about but I don't believe they can come from government.
    There are some govt employees who know their stuff, but not the politicians.....lots of them think that nuclear power is the answer to the oil problem....and it is not. There is no shortage of electricity supplies, weather permitting...
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    Re: Do You Favor Nuclear Power?

    Does anyone realize that the spent fuel rods, and deadly, are stored outside and very vulnerable to a terrorist attack? If they hit one of these it would be a environment disaster. The Indian Point Nuclear plant on the Hudson River in Buchanan, NY is just a scant 35 miles from NYC and is thought to be one of original 911 targets.

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    Re: Do You Favor Nuclear Power?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Does anyone realize that the spent fuel rods, and deadly, are stored outside and very vulnerable to a terrorist attack? If they hit one of these it would be a environment disaster. The Indian Point Nuclear plant on the Hudson River in Buchanan, NY is just a scant 35 miles from NYC and is thought to be one of original 911 targets.
    the storage casks are pretty stout, I saw video of one on a trailer, being nailed by a train at high speed, and it remained intact...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mHtOW-OBO4
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    Re: Do You Favor Nuclear Power?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    Yes, when the trillions of dollars invested yield an average price of a hundred buck per kilowatt hour as compared to the pennies per kw-H for nuclear and ground based generation, the nation will wise up.

    There are many desirable resources in space for an earthbound economy. Beamed power isn't one of them.
    Investment costs money.

    2001 NASA quote, for your review:
    "According to Marzwell, using today's technology a space solar power system could generate energy at a cost of 60 to 80 cents per kilowatt-hour. This estimate includes construction costs for the first system.

    "We believe that in 15 to 25 years we can lower that cost to 7 to 10 cents per kilowatt hour," said Marzwell. The market price today is around 5 to 6 cents per kilowatt-hour."

    http://science.nasa.gov/science-news...01/ast23mar_1/
    Note that, since 2001, Japan and India have been doing much of our research for us, and estimated cost has been going down markedly.

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    yeah, and if that beam gets off course, your house goes up in smoke....
    NASA plans to plant the receivers in the deserts and mountains, safely away from the populace.
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    Re: Do You Favor Nuclear Power?

    Quote Originally Posted by mgblack View Post
    Investment costs money.

    2001 NASA quote, for your review:


    Note that, since 2001, Japan and India have been doing much of our research for us, and estimated cost has been going down markedly.



    NASA plans to plant the receivers in the deserts and mountains, safely away from the populace.
    Using today's technology the photovoltaic cells will last less than a decade, and will require, of course, 20 square meters of array to generate 8 kw at end of life.

    Now, since the United States consumes something on the order of a terawatt of electrical power, perhaps you can calculate how big an array must be launched to convert US electrical generation to this fantasy in the skies?

    Note that the aforementioned array was priced at twenty megabucks, as a component of a satellite.

    The launch vehicle for that satellite cost a hundred million dollars in itself.

    So, the cost is going to be some factor times twenty million dollars for the SPS, depending on how much power it's going to convert from sunlight, plus, of course, the cost of the bus to provide the housekeeping services as well as the station keeping and re-transmission antenna, plus a hundred million bucks just to heave the thing into the sky.

    And after it's launched it's going to be the biggest brightest lovliest target for any terrorist to attempt to steal and launch an A-sat weapon.

    How many of these things should we launch? You are aware that the world's professional and amateur astronomical community is going to oppose anything so destructive of dark night skies, aren't you?

    It's flatly impossible to use space borne assets to provide electricxal power at the prices quoted.

    No, my sources are not publicly available, but they're the real deal just the same.

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    Re: Do You Favor Nuclear Power?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Does anyone realize that the spent fuel rods, and deadly, are stored outside and very vulnerable to a terrorist attack? If they hit one of these it would be a environment disaster. The Indian Point Nuclear plant on the Hudson River in Buchanan, NY is just a scant 35 miles from NYC and is thought to be one of original 911 targets.
    I need to ask you where you got this information because I'm pretty sure it is wrong. I know for a fact that the military guards our spent rods through specific measures even when they are "stored outside and vulnerable to attack". I highly doubt that anything less is allowed by civilian plants either, since we, government and civilian nuclear sites, are all subject to strict regulation by NRC. I can't say too much about the security measures I know of but I do know that it is not nearly as simple as you seem to think it is for a terrorist to attack either spent fuel rods or any other nuclear material that could possible be used to inflict a nuclear disaster in some way or another.

    Maybe you shouldn't get all this info from sites like these

    Spent Reactor Fuel Security | Union of Concerned Scientists

    Instead, check out the NRC's site,

    NRC: Backgrounder on Transportation of Spent Fuel and Radioactive Materials

    And everyone should keep in mind that if you were told about all the methods of security that the government insisted that plants employ to protect their potential terrorists targets, then it would allow for the terrorists to also know of those security measures and be better equiped to counter those security measures and thus attack or obtain that material that you are afraid that they will get.
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