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    Re: Do You Favor Nuclear Power?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    Yuh.

    Ya think that might be because the concept of "public utilities" established regional monopolies on electric distribution and discouraged free markent entreprenurialism? The people willing to invest in "public utilities" aren't venture capitalists seeking to make big returns because there's no free market to work with.
    building the power plant is just the start, then there is the grid. it takes a lot of money, and utilitlies should be allowed some protection. who wants to build a local grid and them make it available to competition? a certain amount of monoply is expected. Once a utility builds a system in a given area, that area should be theirs without competition, but not without regulation.
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    Re: Do You Favor Nuclear Power?

    Believing nuclear power to be more dangerous than it actually is doesn't change the facts. It is still safer than the methods we currently use, much cleaner, cheaper to operate (obviously there are upfront costs, but they will be accounted for in future savings), and would allow us to stop depending on foreign oil. I get that people are afraid of meltdowns and contamination, but if one of the worst earthquakes that Japan has ever seen isn't enough for a real nuclear disaster, I doubt anything will. Please remember that Chernobyl and Three Mile Island were the results of shoddy equipment. A new plant with modern technology would be infinitely safer. Also, we don't get earthquakes that bad, and we can certainly build the plants in places where we barely get any.

    Nuclear power is mostly safe. Our current methods guarantee death. How can guaranteed death be better than probable safety?
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    Re: Do You Favor Nuclear Power?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    I get that people are afraid of meltdowns and contamination, but if one of the worst earthquakes that Japan has ever seen isn't enough for a real nuclear disaster, I doubt anything will.
    Stay tuned.
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    Re: Do You Favor Nuclear Power?

    I voted "Not Sure". I think there's a lot of benefits and dangers to nuclear power, but I think the question is going to be irrelevant once the US wises up and looks into space-based solar energy collection and power beaming.
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    Re: Do You Favor Nuclear Power?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Believing nuclear power to be more dangerous than it actually is doesn't change the facts. It is still safer than the methods we currently use, much cleaner, cheaper to operate (obviously there are upfront costs, but they will be accounted for in future savings), and would allow us to stop depending on foreign oil. I get that people are afraid of meltdowns and contamination, but if one of the worst earthquakes that Japan has ever seen isn't enough for a real nuclear disaster, I doubt anything will. Please remember that Chernobyl and Three Mile Island were the results of shoddy equipment. A new plant with modern technology would be infinitely safer. Also, we don't get earthquakes that bad, and we can certainly build the plants in places where we barely get any.

    Nuclear power is mostly safe. Our current methods guarantee death. How can guaranteed death be better than probable safety?
    I am as pro nuclear as one can get, but until we have many millions of electric cars on the roads, nuclear generated electricity will not help with the oil problem....
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    Re: Do You Favor Nuclear Power?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    building the power plant is just the start, then there is the grid. it takes a lot of money, and utilitlies should be allowed some protection. who wants to build a local grid and them make it available to competition? a certain amount of monoply is expected. Once a utility builds a system in a given area, that area should be theirs without competition, but not without regulation.
    No. If someone can come along and build a cheaper grid and satisfies the needs of enough customers to make it's efforts commercially viable, there's no resason at all that the first entrant into the market should be granted protection by the government. What you're describing is how every coercive monopoly in history is established, by abuse of government power and use of political connections to bar competitition.

    It's wrong, and it's why the US grid is falling apart and inadequately sized for modern demands. There's no competition driving the participants to improve services.

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    Re: Do You Favor Nuclear Power?

    Quote Originally Posted by mgblack View Post
    I voted "Not Sure". I think there's a lot of benefits and dangers to nuclear power, but I think the question is going to be irrelevant once the US wises up and looks into space-based solar energy collection and power beaming.
    Yes, when the trillions of dollars invested yield an average price of a hundred buck per kilowatt hour as compared to the pennies per kw-H for nuclear and ground based generation, the nation will wise up.

    There are many desirable resources in space for an earthbound economy. Beamed power isn't one of them.

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    Re: Do You Favor Nuclear Power?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    No. If someone can come along and build a cheaper grid and satisfies the needs of enough customers to make it's efforts commercially viable, there's no resason at all that the first entrant into the market should be granted protection by the government. What you're describing is how every coercive monopoly in history is established, by abuse of government power and use of political connections to bar competitition.

    It's wrong, and it's why the US grid is falling apart and inadequately sized for modern demands. There's no competition driving the participants to improve services.
    It sounds like you don't know what a grid is.....
    How many power lines do you want to see in your neighborhood? If 6 different power companies are competing for your energy dollars, there could be 6 sets of power lines, on 6 sets of poles just getting to your community, then 6 transformer stations, and 6 trenches getting the power to yet smalller transformers until the power is down to 240 volts...
    When a grid falls apart, the power companies can't deliver electricity, so it behooves them to maintain the grid, and they do. The grid is not falling apart...
    Can it be modernized? improved? yes, especially with respect to staying on line during storms, etc.
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    Re: Do You Favor Nuclear Power?

    Quote Originally Posted by mgblack View Post
    I voted "Not Sure". I think there's a lot of benefits and dangers to nuclear power, but I think the question is going to be irrelevant once the US wises up and looks into space-based solar energy collection and power beaming.
    yeah, and if that beam gets off course, your house goes up in smoke....
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    Re: Do You Favor Nuclear Power?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    It sounds like you don't know what a grid is.....
    How many power lines do you want to see in your neighborhood? If 6 different power companies are competing for your energy dollars, there could be 6 sets of power lines, on 6 sets of poles just getting to your community, then 6 transformer stations, and 6 trenches getting the power to yet smalller transformers until the power is down to 240 volts...
    When a grid falls apart, the power companies can't deliver electricity, so it behooves them to maintain the grid, and they do. The grid is not falling apart...
    Can it be modernized? improved? yes, especially with respect to staying on line during storms, etc.

    No, Mayor Snorkum must not know what an electrical grid is because he posted something contrary to what you said.

    The must be the case.

    Has to be.

    Have you explored the corollary of what I posted, namely that if a competitor has the Constitutional freedom to build a competing distribution network it means also that the builders of the origninal network can claim exclusivity on their property?

    This is how real capitalism works.

    Now, should I bother to read the rest of your post or is it merely a hodge podge of irrelevant technical details not related to the philosophy of commercial enterprises in a free nation?


    No, it was a paean against esthetic sensibilities.

    Can't help you there, you either support freedom or you do not. The Mayor Supports freedom.

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