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    Re: Do You Favor Nuclear Power?

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    Ok, so how do you have a free market nuclear power plant?
    You don't.

    You have free market electricity and the electrical suppliers make their own decisions about the economic viability of the various generation alternatives, which will naturally all require some form of permitting, even something as idiotic as roof-top solar collectors and bird-churners.

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    Re: Do You Favor Nuclear Power?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Re-read your statement.
    Something is not CLEAN if it produces such toxic waste that we have to hull out a mountain to store it. And for how many mellenia will this 'clean nuclear waste' be stored safely before it leaks and destroys the surrounding eco-system or worse?
    Never, that's why Yucca mountain was chosen.

    But, if you wish for permanence and the ultimate in evironmental stability in a barren region, I recommend the mid-Pacific abyssal plains as the waste depository. When needed we can always hire James Cameron to recover some deposits if we need to make a withdrawal. That would have the added advantage of keeping him from making yet another boring movie.

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    Re: Do You Favor Nuclear Power?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Nuke power is just not cost efficient, we already have cheaper natural resources that can secure our power needs for at least the next century.
    Nuke power costs on average 2-3x more per kilowatt hour.

    Not to mention that almost every level of it is subsidized by the government, from fuel collection to construction.
    Drilling domestically for oil and gas is an acceptable alternative as is further mining of coal. So long as we get away from despot laden oil, we'll be cool.

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    Re: Do You Favor Nuclear Power?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    You don't.

    You have free market electricity and the electrical suppliers make their own decisions about the economic viability of the various generation alternatives
    This just gives you a 'dash for gas', because CCGT plants will give investors the quickest return on investment.

    No private company will choose to build a new coal or nuclear power plant, which might take 20 years to give them a return on investment, when a CCGT plant can do it in under 10.

    Plus, as most of the cost of a CCGT is in fuel and not capex, and CCGT will be the price setting plant in most electricity markets, you hedge your bets and eliminate the risk of low electricity prices hurting your returns.

    The 'free-market' has failed to deliver anything other than gas and some small wind farms. It's great at sweating existing assets, poor at constructing new ones.
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    Re: Do You Favor Nuclear Power?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    LOL. It was a ConEd facility when I grew up there.¹

    See also: Indian Point timeline
    But it hasn't been for nearly a decade so what it used to be doesn't really affect my point.

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    Re: Do You Favor Nuclear Power?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    But it hasn't been for nearly a decade so what it used to be doesn't really affect my point.
    LOL. Not that you had much of a point to begin with.

    It appears that instead of addressing nuclear power plant safety you would rather quibble about nuclear power plant ownership: Was Indian Point situated in one of the “least favorable sites” (pdf) in the region versus was Indian Point a ConEd facility?

    I know you think this is indicative of a broader point about me, as follows:

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Even if you did misread ComEd as ConEd, the fact that Indian Point is not owned or operated by ConEd implies that you make assumptions about things without taking the time to check the facts.

    This does not inspire confidence in your opinions on issues, because it becomes impossible to discern what is a legitimate piece of information and what is a baseless assumption not founded in fact.
    Tucker Case, you are entitled to your opinion and I admire your firm commitment to facts and research. I feel I make a significant effort to rest my opinions and posts on established facts, but I am no scholar, and everyone reading my posts should of course determine for themselves the soundness of the information I present. I welcome constructive criticism and additional information.
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    Re: Do You Favor Nuclear Power?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Nuke power is just not cost efficient, we already have cheaper natural resources that can secure our power needs for at least the next century.
    Nuke power costs on average 2-3x more per kilowatt hour.Not to mention that almost every level of it is subsidized by the government, from fuel collection to construction.
    2 to 3 times? I don't think so, got some links to prove your claim?
    BTW, do you think coal isn't subsidized?
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    Re: Do You Favor Nuclear Power?

    Quote Originally Posted by Slainte View Post
    This just gives you a 'dash for gas', because CCGT plants will give investors the quickest return on investment.

    No private company will choose to build a new coal or nuclear power plant, which might take 20 years to give them a return on investment, when a CCGT plant can do it in under 10.

    Plus, as most of the cost of a CCGT is in fuel and not capex, and CCGT will be the price setting plant in most electricity markets, you hedge your bets and eliminate the risk of low electricity prices hurting your returns.

    The 'free-market' has failed to deliver anything other than gas and some small wind farms. It's great at sweating existing assets, poor at constructing new ones.
    Texas recently found out that CCGT has its limitations....too much demand on the gas delivery system caused the pressure to drop below what is needed to run the plants. Nukes have the advantage of having all the fuel they need already installed inside the reactor, enough to run for a year or so before needing to be refueled.
    And it is very easy to store replacement fuel on site if necessary, as new unused fuel can be safely handled. It is "spent" fuel that is dangerous.
    Certainly there are better, newer, designs for nukes, altho the PWR reactors are still viable. Can't remember the last time a BWR was built...
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    Re: Do You Favor Nuclear Power?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    LOL. Not that you had much of a point to begin with.

    It appears that instead of addressing nuclear power plant safety you would rather quibble about nuclear power plant ownership: Was Indian Point situated in one of the “least favorable sites” (pdf) in the region versus was Indian Point a ConEd facility?
    But was it relevent to what Tashah had said? No, it wasn't.

    All I'm saying is that when someone wants to begin lecturing people about something, it's important to show that they are a reliable and credible source for information.

    When one imediately jumps to conclusions that are easily discovered to be erroneous in order to begin their lecture, it does not inspire confidence from the audiance that the person as a reliable and credible source of information. They tend to be ignored.

    I'm just giving you solid advice here.

    Receptiveness of the audience is a major aspect of debate. If you undermine your own credibility by making incorrect assumptions and running with them unabated, you cannot succesfully argue a position becuse people will not want to bother putting in the fact-checking efforts involved when they know the source is unreliable.

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    Re: Do You Favor Nuclear Power?

    What better, safer, cheaper way to generate electricity is there? No carbine emissions, no off/on conditions found with windmills and solar panels, just hot rods and boiling water. With all the safety devices in place, and more added as needed, the vital water supply will continue to flow.

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