View Poll Results: What, if anything, should the West do to help Libya?

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  • We should set up a no-fly zone

    14 31.82%
  • We should invade Tripoli and depose Gaddafi

    3 6.82%
  • We should provide guns and ammo to the rebels

    7 15.91%
  • We should provide food and humanitarian assistance

    23 52.27%
  • We should stay out of it entirely

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    Re: What, if anything, should the West do to help Libya?

    NATO is a giant committee. By the time they decide to take a vote, the war will be over and Gadaffi will have won.

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    Re: What, if anything, should the West do to help Libya?

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post
    They actually do want our help, civilians are protesting asking for a no-fly zone
    Yes but they've also specifically warned us not to send ground troops. So the question, then, is what happens if Gaddafi's forces shoot down one of our planes and/or take one of the pilots hostage? Do we escalate at that point?

    Furthermore, what exactly are we trying to accomplish with the no-fly zone? It won't stop helicopters from gunning down rebels, which is the biggest air threat right now.
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    Re: What, if anything, should the West do to help Libya?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Yes but they've also specifically warned us not to send ground troops. So the question, then, is what happens if Gaddafi's forces shoot down one of our planes and/or take one of the pilots hostage? Do we escalate at that point?

    Furthermore, what exactly are we trying to accomplish with the no-fly zone? It won't stop helicopters from gunning down rebels, which is the biggest air threat right now.
    Depends on how it's done. As for the pilot scenario, they'll definitely have TRAP teams on standby. Get the **** in, get the **** out. Real fast.

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    Re: What, if anything, should the West do to help Libya?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Depends on how it's done.
    Typically in a no-fly zone, the planes that patrol it fly at a considerably higher altitude than the helicopters that Gaddafi is using to shoot rebels. Furthermore, destroying the air bases would not necessarily ground helicopters.

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75
    As for the pilot scenario, they'll definitely have TRAP teams on standby. Get the **** in, get the **** out. Real fast.
    And what happens if the TRAP team is captured? This sounds like a recipe for a quagmire. And as much as I hate to draw comparisons between one foreign conflict and another, this is pretty much exactly how Black Hawk Down played out.
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    Re: What, if anything, should the West do to help Libya?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Yes but they've also specifically warned us not to send ground troops. So the question, then, is what happens if Gaddafi's forces shoot down one of our planes and/or take one of the pilots hostage? Do we escalate at that point?

    Furthermore, what exactly are we trying to accomplish with the no-fly zone? It won't stop helicopters from gunning down rebels, which is the biggest air threat right now.
    What would have to be done is for NATO aircraft to take out all Gadaffi's fighters and helicopters on the tarmack. There is substantial evidence that the fighters are bombing rebel-held cities until they are nearly in ruins. Not that it matters. Clearly NATO hasn't changed since the 90's, when it wrung its hands for 5 years while Serbians massacred their way through Croatia and Bosnia.

    If NATO doesn't do it, the USA should either decide to provide unilateral humanitarian aid or do nothing at all.

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    Re: What, if anything, should the West do to help Libya?

    Typically in a no-fly zone, the planes that patrol it fly at a considerably higher altitude than the helicopters that Gaddafi is using to shoot rebels. Furthermore, destroying the air bases would not necessarily ground helicopters.
    Use low-flying fighter or attack aircraft, or use our own helicopters. There's definitely certain aircraft in our arsenal that can pick out an attack helicopter on radar (thinking F-15Es). Admittedly all options carry with them certain risks. I don't know the state of the Libyan air force's logistics train but we could also target jet fuel stores.

    And what happens if the TRAP team is captured? This sounds like a recipe for a quagmire. And as much as I hate to draw comparisons between one foreign conflict and another, this is pretty much exactly how Black Hawk Down played out.
    You're spot on. I think the real risky business of enforcing a no-fly zone occurs within the first few days. After that it becomes a much more passive operation, so the window for something terrible to happen is rather short.
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    Re: What, if anything, should the West do to help Libya?

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    What would have to be done is for NATO aircraft to take out all Gadaffi's fighters and helicopters on the tarmack. There is substantial evidence that the fighters are bombing rebel-held cities until they are nearly in ruins. Not that it matters. Clearly NATO hasn't changed since the 90's, when it wrung its hands for 5 years while Serbians massacred their way through Croatia and Bosnia.
    Actually we ruled the airspace over Serbia for over two months. But it didn't matter, because the major fighting was on the ground. That hardly speaks to our ability to implement serious change via a no-fly zone in Libya.

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna
    If NATO doesn't do it, the USA should either decide to provide unilateral humanitarian aid or do nothing at all.
    For all intents and purposes, NATO is just a foreign policy arm of the US government when it comes to Libya. NATO will do whatever the United States wants, because any military operation will essentially be an American mission anyway. I agree that we should provide humanitarian aid, but I'm highly skeptical of any military involvement.
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    Re: What, if anything, should the West do to help Libya?

    Actually we ruled the airspace over Serbia for over two months. But it didn't matter, because the major fighting was on the ground. That hardly speaks to our ability to implement serious change via a no-fly zone in Libya.
    That's very true. However some will argue that doing SOMETHING is better than doing nothing at all.

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    Re: What, if anything, should the West do to help Libya?

    Help Libya? They've already got one foot in the grave, do they really need the push?

    We could sell both sides guns and bombs, perhaps, to help our economy out.

    But mostly we should sit back and enjoy the show of a nation willing to put bombs on civillian airplanes tearing itself up. Let them pile their bodies to the roof before we even thing about doing anything for them.

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    Re: What, if anything, should the West do to help Libya?

    I oppose imperialist intervention in Libya.
    "I do not claim that every incident in the history of empire can be explained in directly economic terms. Economic interests are filtered through a political process, policies are implemented by a complex state apparatus, and the whole system generates its own momentum."

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