View Poll Results: What, if anything, should the West do to help Libya?

Voters
44. You may not vote on this poll
  • We should set up a no-fly zone

    14 31.82%
  • We should invade Tripoli and depose Gaddafi

    3 6.82%
  • We should provide guns and ammo to the rebels

    7 15.91%
  • We should provide food and humanitarian assistance

    23 52.27%
  • We should stay out of it entirely

    20 45.45%
Multiple Choice Poll.
Page 4 of 6 FirstFirst ... 23456 LastLast
Results 31 to 40 of 56

Thread: What, if anything, should the West do to help Libya?

  1. #31
    Basketball Nerd
    StillBallin75's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2011
    Location
    Vilseck, Germany
    Last Seen
    Today @ 07:52 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Progressive
    Posts
    21,896

    Re: What, if anything, should the West do to help Libya?

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    Realistically, we can't afford to do anything in Libya, and I highly doubt we can depend on NATO or the UN to do anything of value, so I think we should provide intelligence, and set up something to help organize the rebels into a cohesive fighting force, at least on paper. We should provide theoretical support to the rebels, because I think its obvious they're oging to win, and we should do what we can so we're on good terms with the people of Libya.

    EDIT: I also think it wouldn't hurt to divert a Predator to Libya and maybe just cut the head of the snake off.
    Predators are useless if you don't have good human intelligence assets on the ground that can tell you where the target will be at a certain time. Not to mention "cutting the head off the snake" carries with it certain moral and legal implications.

  2. #32
    Sage
    cpwill's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Location
    USofA
    Last Seen
    Today @ 09:12 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    57,038

    Re: What, if anything, should the West do to help Libya?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    He's already been doing that for years. Nobody frankly gives a flying **** about his delusional rants.
    bingo..f ucke mhim **** the uN **** NATO, **** evryone else, wheen ethe ere arep oele dying in front of youa you DO furcking something.

  3. #33
    Guru
    repeter's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Location
    California
    Last Seen
    07-15-14 @ 12:06 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Centrist
    Posts
    3,445

    Re: What, if anything, should the West do to help Libya?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Predators are useless if you don't have good human intelligence assets on the ground that can tell you where the target will be at a certain time. Not to mention "cutting the head off the snake" carries with it certain moral and legal implications.
    It was more a target of opportunity sort of thing. If we happen to get some SIGINT of Gaddhafi talking into a radio or cell phone from his palace, we should take the time to level the palace.

    There are also major moral and legal implications when you allow Gaddhafi to murder his people en masse, and then turn around and lie to the world about it.
    Veni. Vidi. Vici.
    -Gaius Julius Caesar
    The Only Thing to Fear is Fear Itself.
    -Franklin Delano Roosevelt

  4. #34
    Basketball Nerd
    StillBallin75's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2011
    Location
    Vilseck, Germany
    Last Seen
    Today @ 07:52 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Progressive
    Posts
    21,896

    Re: What, if anything, should the West do to help Libya?

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    It was more a target of opportunity sort of thing. If we happen to get some SIGINT of Gaddhafi talking into a radio or cell phone from his palace, we should take the time to level the palace.

    There are also major moral and legal implications when you allow Gaddhafi to murder his people en masse, and then turn around and lie to the world about it.
    The good thing is that they are being given a chance to fight back. I personally hope they're successful, but the decision for the West to intervene is not a simple black-and-white choice. Each choice carries with it consequences, including the choice to decide to intervene or take out a particular head of state.

  5. #35
    Guru
    repeter's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Location
    California
    Last Seen
    07-15-14 @ 12:06 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Centrist
    Posts
    3,445

    Re: What, if anything, should the West do to help Libya?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    The good thing is that they are being given a chance to fight back. I personally hope they're successful, but the decision for the West to intervene is not a simple black-and-white choice. Each choice carries with it consequences, including the choice to decide to intervene or take out a particular head of state.
    I'm not saying there aren't some consequences along with the any decision to intervene, but given the circumstances, my opinion is that they warrant intervention on behalf of the rebels.

    To quote cpwill, "wheen ethe ere arep oele dying in front of youa you DO furcking something."
    Veni. Vidi. Vici.
    -Gaius Julius Caesar
    The Only Thing to Fear is Fear Itself.
    -Franklin Delano Roosevelt

  6. #36
    Basketball Nerd
    StillBallin75's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2011
    Location
    Vilseck, Germany
    Last Seen
    Today @ 07:52 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Progressive
    Posts
    21,896

    Re: What, if anything, should the West do to help Libya?

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    I'm not saying there aren't some consequences along with the any decision to intervene, but given the circumstances, my opinion is that they warrant intervention on behalf of the rebels.

    To quote cpwill, "wheen ethe ere arep oele dying in front of youa you DO furcking something."
    If I were a Marine, I personally would like nothing more than to land on the beach at Tripoli and take that son of a bitch out myself. But for a President who is looking at the situation from a macro scale, it's not a simple matter of conscience and wanting to help those in need. If we intervened on behalf of everyone in the world who was getting massacred, we'd be in the Congo, we whould have been in the Sudan, too many ****ing places to count.

    In addition we don't know who these rebels are. From everything I've learned, they are not a united force, there different factions fighting for different causes. How do we know some of the won't turn their backs on us once they're in power, as has happened multiple times throughout US foreign relations history? That's why I supported the no-fly zone, it is intervening but it's not really taking one side or another, rather preventing people from getting massacred from the air.
    Last edited by StillBallin75; 03-10-11 at 03:08 PM.

  7. #37
    Dungeon Master
    Hooter Babe

    DiAnna's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Location
    Northern California
    Last Seen
    @
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    32,575
    Blog Entries
    1

    Re: What, if anything, should the West do to help Libya?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    bingo..f ucke mhim **** the uN **** NATO, **** evryone else, wheen ethe ere arep oele dying in front of youa you DO furcking something.
    Fight the saki! I know it's hard, but dammit, fight, man, fight! Put...the...glass...down... now!!!

  8. #38
    Enemy Combatant
    Kandahar's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    Washington, DC
    Last Seen
    10-15-13 @ 08:47 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    20,688

    Re: What, if anything, should the West do to help Libya?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    THERE ARE INNOCENTS ****ING DYING!!!!!


    it'svery sim[ple






    you.... [io]protect[/i].... the [i]innocent.
    Except it's NOT that simple. What do you propose doing - Air strikes or invasion? And how will either of those accomplish the goal of protecting the innocent? Will they result in more innocent casualties than they prevent? Where are the money/troops going to come from? How far should we be willing to escalate? Do you imagine that we will be welcomed by ANY of the parties involved?
    Are you coming to bed?
    I can't. This is important.
    What?
    Someone is WRONG on the internet! -XKCD

  9. #39
    Guru
    celticwar17's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Last Seen
    Today @ 05:06 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    4,877

    Re: What, if anything, should the West do to help Libya?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    I have no problem providing humanitarian aid, but we should have no part whatsoever militarily. They don't want our help, we need to keep our nose out of other people's business.
    They actually do want our help, civilians are protesting asking for a no-fly zone

  10. #40
    Disappointed Evolutionist
    Catawba's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Last Seen
    05-28-13 @ 08:15 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    27,254

    Re: What, if anything, should the West do to help Libya?

    NATO sends ships to Libya, mulls no-fly zone
    (AFP)

    11 March 2011,
    BRUSSELS — "NATO agreed Thursday to send more ships towards Libya’s coast but put off any decision on imposing a no-fly zone against the regime, saying it needed a clear legal mandate for military action.

    NATO Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen said the allied naval ships would bolster surveillance of Libya and monitor an arms embargo, amid an escalating war between Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi’s loyalists and opposition forces.

    “It has been decided to increase the presence of NATO maritime assets in the central Mediterranean,” he told a press conference after a meeting of defence chiefs.

    However, there was no decision to launch a no-fly zone against Gaddafi’s regime — a step favoured by Britain and France but opposed by Germany — with the alliance endorsing further military planning if the United Nations endorsed the move.

    “We considered as well initial options regarding a possible no fly-zone in case NATO were to receive a clear United Nations mandate,” he said. “Ministers agreed further planning will be required.”

    But with Russia opposed to an air exclusion area, UN backing appeared unlikely for any move to shut down Gaddafi’s air force.

    The session underscored divisions in the alliance over how to respond to the mounting conflict in Libya, with advocates of intervention worried about possible atrocities and the consequences of Gaddafi staying in power.

    Many alliance ministers, including the US Defense Secretary Robert Gates, remain wary of a no-fly zone or other military action, saying it poses a host of risks, including a possible anti-Western backlash in the Middle East.

    NATO allies are “very mindful of opinion in the region,” Gates told reporters.

    French President Nicolas Sarkozy, however, planned to propose air strikes on Gaddafi’s command headquarters to EU leaders, a source close to discussions told AFP.

    Until now, the most drastic measure advocated by some NATO members has been the imposition of a no-fly zone, not full-fledged bombing raids.

    The ministers also called for urgent “detailed planning” for humanitarian efforts and for possible measures to enforce the arms embargo if called on by the UN Security Council, he said.

    Thursday’s decision meant the top NATO commander, Admiral Jim Stavridis, had the authority to redeploy three warships already in the Mediterranean along with minesweeper vessels, said a NATO official, who spoke on condition of anonymity.

    The United States, Britain and France have already deployed ships to the area, with the Americans sending three warships with hundreds of Marines on board.

    Despite signs of discord over how to respond to the crisis, the NATO chief said the ministers were “united”.

    “Our message today is NATO is united, NATO is vigilant, NATO is ready to act,” he said.

    The ministers said any military intervention against Gaddafi would have to have a legal basis and support from countries in the region, he said.

    Rasmussen said “if there is a demonstrable need, if we have a clear mandate and strong regional support, we stand ready to help.

    “Time is of the essence.”

    Rasmussen earlier announced the start of 24-hour surveillance of Libya’s air space with radar-equipped aircraft, saying that “we are watching what the Libyan regime does to its people very closely indeed.”

    Although top US officials have sounded skeptical over a no-fly zone, there are signs Washington and its allies are mulling a possible plan of last-resort to deter Gaddafi from carrying out a mass slaughter of civilians from the air.

    The US defence chief, Gates, has warned that a no-fly zone would entail attacks on air defense systems — which would likely be seen by Gaddafi and others as an act of war. "

    NATO sends ships to Libya, mulls no-fly zone
    Treat the earth well: it was not given to you by your parents, it was loaned to you by your children. We do not inherit the Earth from our Ancestors, we borrow it from our Children. ~ Ancient American Indian Proverb

Page 4 of 6 FirstFirst ... 23456 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •