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    Re: If Humans where not the only race, would you be a Human supremacist?

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    Ditto, but it was because I did not trust him, nor did I like his manipulative ways. I feel his agenda is not driven by what is the best of humanity, but is instead driven by more selfish motives - or he is something other than human, those fake looking eyes just did not sit well for me, and it seemed a cue that things may not quite be what they seem to be.
    As a person who has only played ME 2 and not 1, i have thus far got the impression that Cerberus is a more hands on and practicle organization than the bureaucratic Alliance. I have also felt so far (haven't finished the game) that Cerberus has done all of the heavy lifting, all of the dirty work and killing to get to the bottom of the problem. The Illusive man has invested considerable money into Shepherds mission, reviving Shepherd and researching ways to get through the Omega 4 Relay alive....more than the Alliance bothered to do. The alliance has done zilch so far from what i have gathered. They remind me more and more of the UN come to think of it.

    If anybody has the interests of humankind at heart, its Cerberus, and the alliance has to seem like it is appeasing all Citadel races equally. Once humankind's existence is no longer threatened, i dont intend on sticking around with them though.
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    Re: If Humans where not the only race, would you be a Human supremacist?

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    I'm not sure if that is wise. I mean, the Illusive Man would probably use the tech acquired at the Collector Base to turn innocent bystanders into husks or something, but those are the kind of measures you need to get the 'optimal' Renegade play through.
    you are not sure what is wise? I did not give the illusive man what he wanted, and I blew up the base. As I said I did not trust the illusive man, and used him inasmuch as he was a means to an end, but I discarded him after. I did what I felt had to be done. Although I am for the most part a renegade, I am also renegade enough to not be a slave to the path, and am not going for the "optimal" play through. If it is an issue and I like ME3 enough it is a simple matter of going back and replaying the end scene and going from there anyhow (plus there is a save editor if needs be -where do you think I got the specific values for my paragon/renegade scores - although I will likely not use it).
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    Re: If Humans where not the only race, would you be a Human supremacist?

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    As a person who has only played ME 2 and not 1, i have thus far got the impression that Cerberus is a more hands on and practicle organization than the bureaucratic Alliance. I have also felt so far (haven't finished the game) that Cerberus has done all of the heavy lifting, all of the dirty work and killing to get to the bottom of the problem, and the alliance zilch so far from what i have gathered. They remind me more and more of the UN come to think of it.
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    you are not sure what is wise? I did not give the illusive man what he wanted, and I blew up the base. As I said I did not trust the illusive man, and used him inasmuch as he was a means to an end, but I discarded him after. I did what I felt had to be done. Although I am for the most part a renegade, I am also renegade enough to not be a slave to the path, and am not going for the "optimal" play through. If it is an issue and I like ME3 enough it is a simple matter of going back and replaying the end scene and going from there anyhow (plus there is a save editor if needs be -where do you think I got the specific values for my paragon/renegade scores - although I will likely not use it).
    It's possible that the "best" ending for the Mass Effect trilogy involves a mixture of Paragon and Renegade choices, but given the polarity of the alignment and the 'canon' set up in Mass Effect 2 (the default Shepard), 'optimal' endings probably require heavy Paragon or heavy Renegade.

    For example, letting the Council die in ME1 and forming a human council vastly weakens both the military strength and the loyalty of alien species toward humanity, but keeps humanity strong by preserving their fleet and making them the rulers in a galactic hegemony.

    Getting rid of the Collector technology undermines humanity's ability to maintain that hegemony.

    In essence, the Paragon values life and mercy, for everybody. The Renegade values power and independence, in particular for himself and his species. Deciding not to keep the Collector Base for humanity lessens humanity's power and independence, which you established in ME1 by letting the Council die.
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    Re: If Humans where not the only race, would you be a Human supremacist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
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    Re: If Humans where not the only race, would you be a Human supremacist?

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    As a person who has only played ME 2 and not 1, i have thus far got the impression that Cerberus is a more hands on and practicle organization than the bureaucratic Alliance. I have also felt so far (haven't finished the game) that Cerberus has done all of the heavy lifting, all of the dirty work and killing to get to the bottom of the problem. The Illusive man has invested considerable money into Shepherds mission, reviving Shepherd and researching ways to get through the Omega 4 Relay alive....more than the Alliance bothered to do. The alliance has done zilch so far from what i have gathered. They remind me more and more of the UN come to think of it.

    If anybody has the interests of humankind at heart, its Cerberus, and the alliance has to seem like it is appeasing all Citadel races equally. Once humankind's existence is no longer threatened, i dont intend on sticking around with them though.
    If anyone has the interests of humankind (and to a lesser degree other kind) at heart it is Shepard, I trust her judgement alone. The others are there to be used as a means to an end, and that is it.
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    Re: If Humans where not the only race, would you be a Human supremacist?

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    They probably would and we theres. Infact, we wouldn't just care, we would probably be inclined to be concerned.
    Yeah, their government most likely would. If I was an alien species I'd be cautious as f*ck about humans. But I doubt many of our or their citizens would. I mean come on, most people have no idea what's happening on their own planet, let alone another.
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    Re: If Humans where not the only race, would you be a Human supremacist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcadius View Post
    Yeah, their government most likely would. If I was an alien species I'd be cautious as f*ck about humans. But I doubt many of our or their citizens would. I mean come on, most people have no idea what's happening on their own planet, let alone another.
    I think its just going to shift from focusing on problems on our Earth, to focusing on problems on our Earth and other planets.

    By the way, have you noticed how sci-fi concepts that take us beyond the Galaxy and into scenarios where alien races mix with one another in a high tech world assume how Utopia is achieved on Earth? Its interesting.
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    Re: If Humans where not the only race, would you be a Human supremacist?

    Probably depends on the other race(s).

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    Re: If Humans where not the only race, would you be a Human supremacist?

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    As a person who has only played ME 2 and not 1, i have thus far got the impression that Cerberus is a more hands on and practicle organization than the bureaucratic Alliance. I have also felt so far (haven't finished the game) that Cerberus has done all of the heavy lifting, all of the dirty work and killing to get to the bottom of the problem. The Illusive man has invested considerable money into Shepherds mission, reviving Shepherd and researching ways to get through the Omega 4 Relay alive....more than the Alliance bothered to do. The alliance has done zilch so far from what i have gathered. They remind me more and more of the UN come to think of it.

    If anybody has the interests of humankind at heart, its Cerberus, and the alliance has to seem like it is appeasing all Citadel races equally. Once humankind's existence is no longer threatened, i dont intend on sticking around with them though.
    Do yourself a favor and play ME 1... immediately!! The story provided by the original is invaluable to understanding the difficult choices made in ME2... and ME1 has beyond a doubt the finest, most exhilarating ending I've ever played in a video game. Seriously, game on. Go for it, and thank me when you're through.

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    Re: If Humans where not the only race, would you be a Human supremacist?

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Do yourself a favor and play ME 1... immediately!! The story provided by the original is invaluable to understanding the difficult choices made in ME2... and ME1 has beyond a doubt the finest, most exhilarating ending I've ever played in a video game. Seriously, game on. Go for it, and thank me when you're through.
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    And then have fun playing ME2 all over again, because it is a much richer experience when you import your ME1 Shepard.
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