View Poll Results: When did the US lose its prestige?

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  • 1940s

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  • 1960s

    4 10.26%
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Thread: When Did the United States Lose its Prestige?

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    Re: When Did the United States Lose its Prestige?

    He is however a respected historian

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    Re: When Did the United States Lose its Prestige?

    Quote Originally Posted by snilloctjc View Post
    He is however a respected historian
    Respected by whom?
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    Re: When Did the United States Lose its Prestige?

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Respected by whom?
    Well I guess not you. But as a student of History I find his research well done and his writing very approachable. I always acknowledge a Historian's biases as I read them, if known or discerned in the writing, but still assess the whole work on its mertis. And I read many from Zinn to Catton and all in between

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    Re: When Did the United States Lose its Prestige?

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Don't be ridiculous, Europe's just a small continent constituting a fraction of world opinion. US prestige will be judged by Asia, Africa, Central and South America, Oceania and Europe. My point is just that it can't, by definition, be decided by Americans.
    Then please tell all the other Americans on this forum that they aren't allowed to chime in on this thread.
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    Re: When Did the United States Lose its Prestige?

    Quote Originally Posted by snilloctjc View Post
    He is however a respected historian
    By whom? He's a supporter of fascism masquerading as an unbiased observer. The only people he's respected by are far right wingers like himself.
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    Re: When Did the United States Lose its Prestige?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Then please tell all the other Americans on this forum that they aren't allowed to chime in on this thread.
    Well, everyone's entitled to their opinion, it's just that whatever American posters believe to be the case, the prestige of their nation can only exist in the minds of non-Americans. However much you might believe you have or don't have prestige, it's not in your power to control it. Foreigners will respect you or disrespect you sometimes for reasons that have little to do with the conscious action of US policy. The status of your prestige is an ephemeral and fickle thing. It can be, and has been, affected by political matters, sporting events, economic occurrences, cultural trends or even natural disasters, more often than not well beyond the power of government or the collective will to influence.

    Because of all that, I wonder what the OP was really setting out to achieve in asking the question. Perhaps he just wanted to give posters the opportunity to make one another feel good about the country, or perhaps even the opposite.
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    Re: When Did the United States Lose its Prestige?

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    Re: When Did the United States Lose its Prestige?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    By whom? He's a supporter of fascism masquerading as an unbiased observer. The only people he's respected by are far right wingers like himself.
    Would you call Howard Zinn a supporter of Marxism masquerading as an unbiased observor. The only people he's respected by are far left wingers like himself?

    Just curious if it is some special expertise you hold on the assessment of historians or if perhaps your own political bias is showing?

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    Re: When Did the United States Lose its Prestige?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    By whom? He's a supporter of fascism masquerading as an unbiased observer. The only people he's respected by are far right wingers like himself.
    Exactly. He's a nasty piece of work. He calls France fundamentally anti-democratic but cites Agustin Pinochet as one of his heroes. He admires Franco and defended the indefensible perjurer, Jonathan Aitken. He proclaims family values but is an unrepentant adulterer, in other words, a hypocrite. What's to like or respect?
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    Re: When Did the United States Lose its Prestige?

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